Bard in the party... thoughts?

[Kelevra]

1-yeah, I meant either the Barrage change or the Sidewinder change, not both
2-potency increase would be up for SE to decide
3-with Sidewinder, I got my numbers mixed up...actually did mean 350, but it's cool if lower, but third potency increase shouldn't be less or equal to what current maximum is...wouldn't have made the suggestion if overall potency was just gonna stay the same (again, either the Barrage change or the Sidewinder change...not both)

Rain of Death would still be overridden by a Drg's Disembowel cause the effect lasts longer than RoD's...but if a Drg and Brd where in the party, it just means there combined AoE would be better (not Nin and Brd, not Mnk and Brd) and the Drg wouldn't have to go through there Chaos Thrust combo (the lower potency one) for the piercing debuff. If RoD is being kept up...they could just go straight to Full Thrust combos (the higher potency one) if they wanted and work there aoes in as needed. As well as the lone caster (and dps'n healers) benefiting as well if Foe's is playing. Making it so the Bard would benefit: themself, a Drg, both healers, and the lone caster in a 'typical' 8 man setup vs the Mch that benifits: themself, the two melee and the two tanks in a 'typical' 8 man setup.

But if they don't want to give Bard the Piercing debuff thru RoD, they can still adjust Foe's to properly affect Windbite and Flaming Arrow.

and it might be overkill if all those changes actually happened which is why I am more of the mindset "either, or" on these suggestions

[RiceisNice]

.... the Drg wouldn't have to go through there Chaos Thrust combo (the lower potency one) for the piercing debuff. If RoD is being kept up...they could just go straight to Full Thrust combos (the higher potency one)

Chaos Thrust is more potency than Full thrust. A DRG would still be doing their chaos thrust combo regardless of if there was another job providing piercing or not.

Infact, most compositions already have DRG in it anyway, it'd be ultimately pointless give BRD a piercing buff to "boost their dps", espesically when their dps is going to be balanced around that (much like how MCH's dps is "boosted" by hypercharge)

Just give brd another skill that work like foe but physical instead of magic then Brd will be fine plus battle voice increase it to 20%, any group with physical group comp will fall in love with brd.we better remember that BRD is a class that not meant to do crazy dmg but they meant to increase group party dmg, that's what make brd shine the most in group fight.

As for MCH the developers already mention it's meant to be a high burst dmg with a few support kits, so I really doubt anything will change for this class, if anything they might make this class even easier to play because they want everyone to enjoy the class just how everyone enjoy brd.

On the end brd might not do high burst dmg like MCH but their support buff is strong enough for raids to wants them in group.

And homogenize the two more than they already are? BRD doesn't need a physical debuff just as how MCH doesn't need a good magic debuff (because bishop hypercharge is pretty terrible and is an extremely poor man's option for a caster comp)

They've also insisted numerous times that MCH and BRD both fill the same niche of the "Dps support" role.

[Kelevra]

Chaos Thrust is more potency than Full thrust. A DRG would still be doing their chaos thrust combo regardless of if there was another job providing piercing or not.

Infact, most compositions already have DRG in it anyway, it'd be ultimately pointless give BRD a piercing buff to "boost their dps", espesically when their dps is going to be balanced around that (much like how MCH's dps is "boosted" by hypercharge)



And homogenize the two more than they already are? BRD doesn't need a physical debuff just as how MCH doesn't need a good magic debuff (because bishop hypercharge is pretty terrible and is an extremely poor man's option for a caster comp)

They've also insisted numerous times that MCH and BRD both fill the same niche of the "Dps support" role.

like I said, it's a suggestion (my mistake on the Drg combo potency)

'Most?' maybe. But not every group does and Bard needs something for itself when a Drg isn't present (my static is with Mnk and Nin as the melee atm). That's why I said either the piercing debuff or adjusting Foe's to properly affect Windbite and Flaming Arrow.

[RiceisNice]

like I said, it's a suggestion (my mistake on the Drg combo potency)

'Most?' maybe. But not every group does and Bard needs something for itself when a Drg isn't present (my static is with Mnk and Nin as the melee atm). That's why I said either the piercing debuff or adjusting Foe's to properly affect Windbite and Flaming Arrow.

It's the same principle for when MCH doesn't have a DRG in the party. It's silly to say a MCH is doing more damage than BRD because they can "buff" their own damage with hypercharge; That makes just as contextual sense as a DRG buffing his own damage with disembowel, or a MNK buffing his own damage with dragon kick.

Beyond people showing logs which have been either padded or skewed through faster clear times (and I'm talking an entire minute at the minimum), there's no solid fact that MCH is blowing BRD out of the water as far as dps is concerend. The two, when compared to each other, are relatively close to each other, before and after 3.1 when they had buffed mch (whom at the time had consistently lower personal dps than BRD in the same circumstances)