Bard in the party... thoughts?

[Slyqc]

You might've just played with bards that was maybe on their first run and didn't knew how to roll Niddhog fight, I don't see any corrolation between ''fight mechanics'' and bards, they'll perform just as well as the player performing them, it's as if I told you every dragoon and monks are lazy because most of the time in DF I'm having more than twice their DPS playing with a Bard, it's not really that they are lazy or whatever, it's experience and knowledge with your class.

On that I'm hoping you can stop insulting other players because they share a different opinion from you. ^^

Also I've just seen that 230(240) Lore Weapon for Bard and mechanics isn't gonna help the bard at all...

Bow stats : Determination +76 / Skill Speed + 114
Musketoon : Determination + 76 / Crit + 114

At least 245 A8S bow will give Determination and Crits.
But the difference between Mechs and Bards is going to grow even larger with 240 Lore Weapon for raids. I feel like Square Enix just doesn't want to see bards anymore and wants us to play mechs.

[RiceisNice]

Bow stats : Determination +76 / Skill Speed + 114
Musketoon : Determination + 76 / Crit + 114

At least 245 A8S bow will give Determination and Crits.
But the difference between Mechs and Bards is going to grow even larger with 240 Lore Weapon for raids. I feel like Square Enix just doesn't want to see bards anymore and wants us to play mechs.

This was the direct opposite during the 3.0-3.1 days when MCH had both their 210 options having SS (which scales extremely poorly), nor is skill speed a dead stat for BRD by any means (relatively stronger than DET assuming TP isn't an issue). BRD has so much more to gain from their secondary stats than MCH can ever hope to, especially crit and it's interaction with bloodletter.

[ruskie]

This was the direct opposite during the 3.0-3.1 days when MCH had both their 210 options having SS (which scales extremely poorly), nor is skill speed a dead stat for BRD by any means (relatively stronger than DET assuming TP isn't an issue). BRD has so much more to gain from their secondary stats than MCH can ever hope to, especially crit and it's interaction with bloodletter.

Lets face it bad DPS is bad DPS. Doesn't matter what job. I've had more melee ignore the prison than I can count. So do I call all of them bad because of it? No.

And well the lore weapon for bards is meh. Though bards can at least benefit from skillspeed a bit better(having ~600 is minimal), det is just sad this patch cycle though. But we do have a relic that's just fine.

[RiceisNice]

Lets face it bad DPS is bad DPS. Doesn't matter what job. I've had more melee ignore the prison than I can count. So do I call all of them bad because of it? No.

And well the lore weapon for bards is meh. Though bards can at least benefit from skillspeed a bit better(having ~600 is minimal), det is just sad this patch cycle though. But we do have a relic that's just fine.

I wasn't commenting on the prison, but yes. There's no co-relation to BRDs and failure to mechanics, only bad players and failures to mechanics.

BRD benefits so much more from skill speed than MCH does, since it affects the CD of empyreal arrow, two DoTs, and in general they deal more damage from their personal GCDs. MCH's turret doesn't scale off skill speed, rapid fire devalues skill speed, and they only have one DoT.

In the grand context of things, BRD is nowhere near as bad as people would like to make it out to be. Id argue their personal dps is still better than that on a MCH especially as time passes (due to better scaling off secondary stats), and the hypercharge buff only really evens out the playing field if you're looking at a 2 melee/1 caster comp .

[Slyqc]

@RiceisNice

I'm inviting you to take a look at FFLogs, Bards are falling behind every other DPS at the moment, but like we said, they need a buff but nothing crazy either, they just need to catch on that 100-200 DPS they are missing on MCH at the moment.

[RiceisNice]

@RiceisNice

I'm inviting you to take a look at FFLogs, Bards are falling behind every other DPS at the moment, but like we said, they need a buff but nothing crazy either, they just need to catch on that 100-200 DPS they are missing on MCH at the moment.

The problem with looking at FFlogs (and I have, at least skimmed through it anyway) is that there's more than just the numbers you need to look at. There's factors such as clear time (which is generally an entire minute difference) and buffs (including potions and such), it's hard to make a 1:1 comparison with those in mind. Though I do agree that BRD is under-represented, but that's generally because of favored group compositions (such as how BRDs were more represented in 3.1, but the dps difference between the two were very similar)

[AskaRay]

@RiceisNice

I'm inviting you to take a look at FFLogs, Bards are falling behind every other DPS at the moment, but like we said, they need a buff but nothing crazy either, they just need to catch on that 100-200 DPS they are missing on MCH at the moment.

Not everyone uses FFLogs....
and before you say "people who matter use it!" well, that's obviously not true either.

[Dubah]

Lol, nobody is insulting, if you don't do mechanics you're lazy, that's plain and simple, especially ones that kill people. If you really think that is insulting, then maybe someone should try not being lazy and intentionally getting someone killed. Not once have i seen a bard break that prison, I've seen many try, but not one that has broken it. Granted yes, i have never once said that a blm or nin or any other class will never be lazy, but for some reason it's always bards, the common denominator is bards, sorry to be bearer of bad news, i never said it was a crappy class, nor did i say i would never want one in the party, but if you're too lazy or can't do mechanics, then yeah I'd rather get a real dps that can help keep people alive. And again i say, don't like it? Then stop doing it. It's not insulting if someone calls me heavy or fat or chubby, because guess what, I AM. If I didn't like it, I'd change it, so sorry for calling it how i see it, if you're dumb, I'm gonna call ya dumb, who knows maybe it's the wake up call you need. But I would love to see a bard do that nidhogg fight as a solo dps, I promise you it ain't happening.

[Slyqc]

Can you please read your comments before sending them? I think you could also benefit from reading your pass comments, you've called people stupid and dumb like 3-4 times in your last 2 comments, I have no idea if you have some self esteem issues about your own intelligence and you need to feel superior in any way, but these forums are not here for that.
If you keep on trying to insult people to try proving your point which still is pretty invalid by me, I will have to report you, let's hope it doesn't go that far.