Bard in the party... thoughts?

[Thorauku]

I must have the worst luck with BRD's then, because like i've said before, I've only played with 1 really good one, the others were either decent or for the most part, just horrible. IDK what the deal is. I'm hoping tho now that I'm 60 and running 60 dungeons the standards will increase.

What are you criterias in determining if they're "Good", "Decent", or "Bad"? Seeing that you don't own one.

[Aomine1992]

I must have the worst luck with BRD's then, because like i've said before, I've only played with 1 really good one, the others were either decent or for the most part, just horrible. IDK what the deal is. I'm hoping tho now that I'm 60 and running 60 dungeons the standards will increase.

I used to hate seeing BRDs too until I started playing BRD and imo you have to actually be some kind of good to play ranged cause their dps is lower due to the support factor but also this is just me but I don't really like the up time down time thing, like after my opening....I'm kind of a sitting duck so God forbid I do my opening and adds pop up after XD

[Dubah]

What are you criterias in determining if they're "Good", "Decent", or "Bad"? Seeing that you don't own one.

If the bard can break the prison nidhogg puts me in, he is decent lol, that's all i ask is that people know their job enough to perform mechanics. And that prison isn't hard to break, my ninja can break it without even trying very hard. I'm not an elitist that's for sure, so if you want to play perfect, good on you, but I just expect people to be able to do the mechanics because that is a requirement for any dungeon, after that there is nothing I look too. And I understand ninja is a lot more burst than BRD, but I have seen bards that can break that prison, so you can't tell me it isn't doable.

[Thorauku]

If the bard can break the prison nidhogg puts me in, he is decent lol, that's all i ask is that people know their job enough to perform mechanics. And that prison isn't hard to break, my ninja can break it without even trying very hard. I'm not an elitist that's for sure, so if you want to play perfect, good on you, but I just expect people to be able to do the mechanics because that is a requirement for any dungeon, after that there is nothing I look too. And I understand ninja is a lot more burst than BRD, but I have seen bards that can break that prison, so you can't tell me it isn't doable.

Apparently, most people doesn't care about low-level dungeon mechanics anymore. The fact that the dungeon is doable with or without a bard doesn't necessarily mean that those bards who didn't break YOU out of Nidhogg's prison were bad. smh

If that's your only criteria, I'd say you haven't seen enough Bards, or better yet experience the class yourself first.

[Slyqc]

For Raid of Midan Savage is has already been said, Mechanists are actually a lot better than Bow Mages... errr, I mean Bards.
Currently on Midan savages Bards are going between 1000 - 1200 DPS while Mechanists are around 1100 - 1400 DPS, that's a non negligable difference especially if you take in count their Vulnerability for the whole group.

Bow mages actually needs a buff, either need potency damage up or change damage dealt when in Wanderer's Minuet to Magic Damage. (That last one would be pretty sweet.)

The current median percentile top 50 on FFLogs at the moment is actually pretty much owned with only mechanists.

(That's coming from a top 5 Bard on his server)

[StrejdaTom]

For Raid of Midan Savage is has already been said, Mechanists are actually a lot better than Bow Mages... errr, I mean Bards.
Currently on Midan savages Bards are going between 1000 - 1200 DPS while Mechanists are around 1100 - 1300 DPS, that's a non negligable difference especially if you tanke in count their Vulnerability for the whole group.

Bow mages actually needs a buff, either need potency damage up or change damage dealt when in Wanderer's Minuet to Magic Damage. (That last one would be pretty sweet.)

The current median percentile top 50 on FFLogs at the moment is actually pretty much owned with only mechanists.

(That's coming from a top 5 Bard on his server)

Casuals don't see this, so it won't be addressed. Lol, many people still think that BRD > MCH in terms of damage, only because they encountered a few terrible MCHs.

EDIT:Bard needs a dps buff, but a very very small one. As someone already said, maybe to make some of BRD's skills magic, so his DPS rises by a few %.

[ruskie]

Casuals don't see this, so it won't be addressed. Lol, many people still think that BRD > MCH in terms of damage, only because they encountered a few terrible MCHs.

EDIT:Bard needs a dps buff, but a very very small one. As someone already said, maybe to make some of BRD's skills magic, so his DPS rises by a few %.

Not sure about the magic bit but a slight buff would be nice.

[Dubah]

Apparently, most people doesn't care about low-level dungeon mechanics anymore. The fact that the dungeon is doable with or without a bard doesn't necessarily mean that those bards who didn't break YOU out of Nidhogg's prison were bad. smh

If that's your only criteria, I'd say you haven't seen enough Bards, or better yet experience the class yourself first.

If you're too lazy to not break the prison maybe you don't need to be playing the dungeon then. Don't bring stupid into where it doesn't need to be. Why defend stupid play styles? Follow the mechanics and you'd be ok, don't follow the mechanics and you're just another idiot making a bad name for your class/job. It's simple as that.

[Thorauku]

If you're too lazy to not break the prison maybe you don't need to be playing the dungeon then. Don't bring stupid into where it doesn't need to be. Why defend stupid play styles? Follow the mechanics and you'd be ok, don't follow the mechanics and you're just another idiot making a bad name for your class/job. It's simple as that.

Your argument wasn't limited to Bards, the same goes with every DPS class, what I asked you was what's your criteria in determining a good BARD from bad ones and you answered about dungeon mechanics from a LOW LEVEL DUNGEON which isn't even a factor in determining a good bard from bad ones in end game contents. It's not being lazy, the fact that it is doable without breaking it, why still go for it, is it more rewarding if the DPS breaks it? "It's simple as that."


In a progression-based game like this, only end-game mechanics matters if something is doable without following the mechanics. Heck, most ppl are actually trying to bypass most dungeon mechanics instead of doing it because it's one less mechanic for them to deal with.

[Dubah]

Your argument wasn't limited to Bards, the same goes with every DPS class, what I asked you was what's your criteria in determining a good BARD from bad ones and you answered about dungeon mechanics from a LOW LEVEL DUNGEON which isn't even a factor in determining a good bard from bad ones in end game contents. It's not being lazy, the fact that it is doable without breaking it, why still go for it, is it more rewarding if the DPS breaks it? "It's simple as that."


In a progression-based game like this, only end-game mechanics matters if something is doable without following the mechanics. Heck, most ppl are actually trying to bypass most dungeon mechanics instead of doing it because it's one less mechanic for them to deal with.

My argument is limited to BRDs because they seem to be the only ones that can't do it. Every other DPS has no problem, except lazy bards probably just like you. Your arguments are plain retarted. Is it a low end dungeon? Yes, but if you can't complete a mechanic in a low end dungeon why would i waste my time trusting you with a mechanic in a high end dungeon?

So far 3 BRD's have been unable to break the prison. Is it doable without? Not by a bard, if i die before the adds come, the bard can't hold his own, however I can kill those adds no problem, and i say this with experience btw. Personally, thanks to you showing the true colors of lazy bards, I would easily rather a MCH over a BRD any day of the week. You think you come to the group with support so you don't have to do anything else, well even healers can DPS better than you. Is that sad?

Now come at me with a better/less lazy argument. Please... I really want to have a good argument but so far all you've given me is that you're too lazy to perform a mechanic, even if it is a low end dungeon, so why bother. And that's just plain stupid. Lazy people like you need to move on.