Bard in the party... thoughts?

[randysquirrel]

I'm sure you could insert any DPS, I was just using it as an example, im not saying every bard will do this, but sadly it feels like bards just give up, like they know they are going to be bottom of dps chain so why try kind of thing.

Dunno, I'm on Marlboro too, we seem to have a lot of people wandering into content and doing like 200 dps. Anyone can be bottom of the chain lol.
The example you gave is just a scrub player, you can't generalize a class on one specific thing that happened once

[Dubah]

Dunno, I'm on Marlboro too, we seem to have a lot of people wandering into content and doing like 200 dps. Anyone can be bottom of the chain lol.
The example you gave is just a scrub player, you can't generalize a class on one specific thing that happened once

The reason I used BRDs is because that seems to be the most common one. I have played with 1 good bard so far. Out of the many I've grouped with. I can't say Bards are the only one, especially after tonight. I think I'm done with DF because it always puts me with another crappy dps, leaving me to do all the work, which im ok with. Until Niddhogg prisons me and I can't even fight it. Then the crappy dps really shines, or doesn't....

[Tsilyi]

The reason I used BRDs is because that seems to be the most common one.

Are you willing to consider that your feelings on this issue may be confirmation bias? I have done nearly two thousand instances across several characters on various jobs and roles and have not noticed one particular job doing better or worse in general.

[Dubah]

Are you willing to consider that your feelings on this issue may be confirmation bias? I have done nearly two thousand instances across several characters on various jobs and roles and have not noticed one particular job doing better or worse in general.

Lol I wouldn't consider this a bias, and I'm not saying at all that at any given point any DPS can suck. What I'm getting at is that at this point, if you can't DPS as a bard, even if it's just as best as you can, then there is a problem. I dread bards at first because like i said, so far only 1 has actually shined, of the many I've grouped with. So everytime I see a bard, i assume the worst but hope the for best.

[AskaRay]

Lol I wouldn't consider this a bias, and I'm not saying at all that at any given point any DPS can suck. What I'm getting at is that at this point, if you can't DPS as a bard, even if it's just as best as you can, then there is a problem. I dread bards at first because like i said, so far only 1 has actually shined, of the many I've grouped with. So everytime I see a bard, i assume the worst but hope the for best.

Problem for me is, whenever I see a bard I hold them to a higher standard than normal, since it's my job and it's what I play.
For that particular standard it's rare to get a bard that good but...................normally? Honestly most bards I see are fine. I've only ran into a few really really bad ones.

[Dubah]

Problem for me is, whenever I see a bard I hold them to a higher standard than normal, since it's my job and it's what I play.
For that particular standard it's rare to get a bard that good but...................normally? Honestly most bards I see are fine. I've only ran into a few really really bad ones.

I must have the worst luck with BRD's then, because like i've said before, I've only played with 1 really good one, the others were either decent or for the most part, just horrible. IDK what the deal is. I'm hoping tho now that I'm 60 and running 60 dungeons the standards will increase.

[Thorauku]

I must have the worst luck with BRD's then, because like i've said before, I've only played with 1 really good one, the others were either decent or for the most part, just horrible. IDK what the deal is. I'm hoping tho now that I'm 60 and running 60 dungeons the standards will increase.

What are you criterias in determining if they're "Good", "Decent", or "Bad"? Seeing that you don't own one.