Bard in the party... thoughts?

[Caitlinzulu]

Everyone plays as he wants, but there is not even a little chance of me changing from my main bard. We still can do pretty damage. It took me a while to adjust to the new skills but now i wouldnt want to change

vp_cmc you claim the buff of mch is better geared to current group compositions, shure that may be so but only in statics that follow that composition. In any random party you're not shure of composition and in the (somewhat casual) raid group i'm in a brd is actually more usefull with a summoner (our raid leader) and a black mage usually coming along.

[RiceisNice]

5% from Dismantle in Final Punch saved our first A8S clear from being a wipe. However little it may seem, it can make all the difference in progression.

Likewise for having a 5% mantra and self heals.

[Slyqc]

The thing is the Heavy -40% debuff is like super useful for A6S second boss, the difference it makes on these last orbs makes the boss difficulty go from Extreme to Normal.
I get what you're saying, but for the Accuracy, most of the scholars are melded with a lot of Accuracy and it should be that much of a problem as for vulnerability it raise the DPS of 5 members in a normal composition (5% each makes it a lot, on the other end you have bard and his Foe Requiem that is 10% for 2 members and can go to 20% every 5 minutes and it also takes mana), so many Raid group are refusing Bards at the moment for the simple reason that Bard kit is not good for current Raids. The only real advantage I see for BRD compared to MCH are the aoe and the double DoT, on the other side MCH got a 30 seconds DoT though.
Potency damage is higher and kit is better for raid mechanics, seriously if you want to say Bard is better than MCH you are lying to yourself.

[Slyqc]

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PS : PS : It's funny to see people recruiting MCH only for static, but I guess that just proves the point.
All servers combined on FFLogs, there's 516 MCH who cleared A6S vs 282 Bards and I'm not even showing you the DPS difference, you already know that MCH have around 200 more DPS than bards. (I already said it previously)
I'm inviting you to take a look at this. http://www.fflogs.com/statistics/10/...gregate=amount
I'm using the max percentile since it's pretty much the totally optimized DPS you can get with your class at the moment.
Like you said previously though it's not everyone that uses FFLogs but I believe most static are in fact using it, as for those not using it I believe the numbers are around the same.

[RiceisNice]

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PS : PS : It's funny to see people recruiting MCH only for static, but I guess that just proves the point.

Likewise for 3.0~3.1 when the inverse was true. But honestly, when statics are straight up refusing specific jobs for the sake of progression, it proably isn't a good static to be in to begin with. Before MCH was also consistently behind BRD on top of having less representation, but it still didn't stop groups from taking them in.

[Slyqc]

Likewise for 3.0~3.1 when the inverse was true. But honestly, when statics are straight up refusing specific jobs for the sake of progression, it proably isn't a good static to be in to begin with. Before MCH was also consistently behind BRD on top of having less representation, but it still didn't stop groups from taking them in.

So your point is, do not balance the classes because MCH had his hard time in previous patch so this time it's time for Bard to have a hard time? (That's a lot of time. lol)

[Tsilyi]

I honestly don't know how you came to that conclusion after reading Flo's post...

[RiceisNice]

So your point is, do not balance the classes because MCH had his hard time in previous patch so this time it's time for Bard to have a hard time? (That's a lot of time. lol)

No, I'm saying that parties who don't take BRD because of reasons like fflogs most likely aren't good parties anyway if they are taking the job over a player. And in a meta sense, BRDs have been uncontested since 2.x for party compositions, only until 3.x did they start competing for a raid slot (and they were still better at it in certain areas, and is still the case now but to a lesser extent.)

[ruskie]

http://www.fflogs.com/statistics/10/...gregate=amount

You know the fun bit about fflogs? Numbers tend to be padded one way or another. Are you comparing similar teams(i.e. all have ast, all have drg, all have nin, all have sch), with similar clear times when comparing? From what I see that's not really it.

Fun fact the one bard that had like a 2.2k parse in a2s - they got that because they got padded with balances etc...