Bard in the party... thoughts?

[Jilliebeans]

Support dps doesn't mean u re more support than dps, it just meant that you re a dps class with good support skills, because Brd support is too great so it make sense to balance the class out, you can't have a class that has AMAZING DPS and AMAZING UTILITY at a same time, if that apply to brd ull see more than 3 brd in every raid group. Every class has a pro and a con with it, none of them is *perfect* I would say.

I don't think people walk away from brd, it still the fact that BRD still hold the most player based in all servers while MCH is the least that enough said BRD is still a lot fun to play compare to MCH. I seen plenty of Brd that re more than welcome into Alex savage, why? Because it's NOT the class, it's the player that knows how to play the class well.

[Slyqc]

@Jilliebeans

''Brd support is too great''... No heavy, no stun.

MCH has better DPS, he got a stun, he got a slow, he got a 10% Vulnerability (Like said previously I'm pretty sure the damage buff in the end is on par with normal group comp) and I would also argue with you about Bard 15% DPS vs MCH turret auto-attack for which class loses the most DPS when he restores mana / TP.
Doesn't matter how well you can play your class, Bard kit is not adapted for Midan Savage, this is why 75% of statics are searching for MCH only, hell I've been a Bard Main ever since I started playing this game a year and a half ago and I'm currently working on MCH because it's going to make everyones job so much easier on A6S and I'm not even interested in MCH, it just feels like it's a need at this point.
People need to stop drooling at foe requiem and look at the rest of the kit.

[Jilliebeans]

If a group decided to go with with more physical class then Brd pretty much won't able to help much compare to MCH, that's obvious lol. IF anything it's the company doesn't give enough magic class other than smn,blm and healers. If the game has more magical dps class am sure BRD foe can be even more useful.

I honestly don't want dmg increase BUT I do want some kind of support buff that would help out physical classes in group fight.

Btw I think foe is better because it last longer + battle voice is amazing skill.

[Suetan124]

Bard is great for support. I main BLM and really appreciate the extra Raging strikes. They also have hate reduction skills that make them worth playing just for cross class reasons.

[Mature]

I'm passing thru to say a little thing about Bard.,

Wonderes Minuet ruins the whole point of being a Bard.... it's like playing with a complete new character. Damage might of improved but Bard is not about sitting with a casting bar.

I'm just very disappointed with what they are trying to do with bard.

I can get used to it but might as well play with something else. Which is a shame cause I was having a right good time Barding until Wonderes minuet was introduced.

[Rowyne]

Wonderes Minuet ruins the whole point of being a Bard.... it's like playing with a complete new character. Damage might of improved but Bard is not about sitting with a casting bar.

I'm just very disappointed with what they are trying to do with bard.

I can get used to it but might as well play with something else. Which is a shame cause I was having a right good time Barding until Wonderes minuet was introduced.

Wanderer's Minuet ruined Bard for a lot of people.

2.0 Bard is dead, 3.0 bard is some undead abomination thing. The job is completely unfocused on what it's doing and is no longer unique in any respect other than it uses the visual of a bow. It doesn't need a buff, it needs to go back to alpha and be completely reworked from the ground up.

^This. Please please please fix Bard, SE. Bard has been such a complete mess since Heavensward. You can tell that MCH was designed to be a certain way from the ground up, then they got to Bard and got lazy and had no idea what to do other than shoehorn Gauss Barrel-- uh, I mean, Wanderer's Minuet into it. Why are our two ranged physical DPS classes just clunky carbon copies of each other? No other similar classes are like this. SMN and BLM are completely different. The three healing classes are completely different. The three tanking classes are completely different. The melee classes are all different. Why take a class that was so beloved in 2.x and not only drastically change the gameplay style to something that so many people dislike, something SO foreign from what they've learned and enjoyed for 50 levels, but also shove their DPS to dead last? So many people walked away from Bard, even some walked away from the game, because of this. Please, SE, tell me that in the next expansion that Bard is getting a total rework.

[Greywolfamakir]

^This. Please please please fix Bard, SE. Bard has been such a complete mess since Heavensward. You can tell that MCH was designed to be a certain way from the ground up, then they got to Bard and got lazy and had no idea what to do other than shoehorn Gauss Barrel-- uh, I mean, Wanderer's Minuet into it. Why are our two ranged physical DPS classes just clunky carbon copies of each other? No other similar classes are like this. SMN and BLM are completely different. The three healing classes are completely different. The three tanking classes are completely different. The melee classes are all different. Why take a class that was so beloved in 2.x and not only drastically change the gameplay style to something that so many people dislike, something SO foreign from what they've learned and enjoyed for 50 levels, but also shove their DPS to dead last? So many people walked away from Bard, even some walked away from the game, because of this. Please, SE, tell me that in the next expansion that Bard is getting a total rework.

[Jilliebeans]

well dont want to sound like a downer, but let be honest here. if they wouldve make BRD any diff they wouldve already lol, so for "anyone" that dont like BRD the way it is then its best to just move on to another class sadly. I know there are still plenty of people who still enjoyed their BRD, if you enjoy the class ull do ur best to make the class worth for ya.

[Judge_Xero]

You seem pretty resistant to bard being buffed so it is equal to mch, why is that?

I'm with Rice on how close BRD\MCH is on damage currently. As for utility it comes down to the encounter. It appears that for now all the jobs are pretty balanced and it is merely the layout of the encounter that could change the effectiveness of the job over another.
i.e. Midas has a ton of single target. It really favours a melee comp + MCH.

[Jilliebeans]

Why would u expect BRD to have the same kit as MCH? They re 2 diff class, the only thing they have in common re they both restore mp/tp, They re both useful for their own kit.

Did you forget brd also has cross class with Lancer and puglist which mean u can take *feint* for extra slow and *mantra* for extra healing boost which is extremely useful. Maybe Midan doesn't favor brd right now but brd is still welcome as long you know what you doing. As for statics that wanted a MCH it's their opinions, I seen many statics welcome to take BRD too.

Foe requiem is a WONDERFUL skill it just the game doesnt have enough magic dps class right now to make it more useful and honestly in the end if you don't like the class then it's best for you to switch to another, there re still a lot of players out there that like Brd alot (again they hold the most player based in the game for a *reason*).

I can also argue with you that with a magic group comp brd is more useful because foe can last for atleast 30s with only HALF mana being used (it could last up to almost 1 whole minute if you drain your mana empty) while turret only last for 10-20s plus with battle voice foe increase by 20% so brd gain so much dmg for any magical class in party, again it's all about group composition and the game doesn't have many magical dps class yet to make it more useful.