Bard in the party... thoughts?

[Slyqc]

The thing is the Heavy -40% debuff is like super useful for A6S second boss, the difference it makes on these last orbs makes the boss difficulty go from Extreme to Normal.
I get what you're saying, but for the Accuracy, most of the scholars are melded with a lot of Accuracy and it should be that much of a problem as for vulnerability it raise the DPS of 5 members in a normal composition (5% each makes it a lot, on the other end you have bard and his Foe Requiem that is 10% for 2 members and can go to 20% every 5 minutes and it also takes mana), so many Raid group are refusing Bards at the moment for the simple reason that Bard kit is not good for current Raids. The only real advantage I see for BRD compared to MCH are the aoe and the double DoT, on the other side MCH got a 30 seconds DoT though.
Potency damage is higher and kit is better for raid mechanics, seriously if you want to say Bard is better than MCH you are lying to yourself.

[Slyqc]

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PS : PS : It's funny to see people recruiting MCH only for static, but I guess that just proves the point.
All servers combined on FFLogs, there's 516 MCH who cleared A6S vs 282 Bards and I'm not even showing you the DPS difference, you already know that MCH have around 200 more DPS than bards. (I already said it previously)
I'm inviting you to take a look at this. http://www.fflogs.com/statistics/10/...gregate=amount
I'm using the max percentile since it's pretty much the totally optimized DPS you can get with your class at the moment.
Like you said previously though it's not everyone that uses FFLogs but I believe most static are in fact using it, as for those not using it I believe the numbers are around the same.

[Jilliebeans]

Brd is not a bad class, there re a lot of Brd players in there but keep in mind most of these Brd re casual players, which mean they only play it for fun so they don't care much about their dps or using the right buffs, which is a very bad thing because it's does affect the point of view of the job a lot so because there so many casual players Brd isn't that welcome for hardcore group/raid but if brd is in a right hand the class will shine a lot in group/raid.

MCH is another story, it is one of the hardest class to master and once you master that class, you re like a God black mage with your dps. There ain't that many people play MCH because obviously compare to brd it's less fun. So you won't see casual players play around with MCH. most of people play MCH (atleast the one I ran with) knows exactly what they doing with their rotations.

[RiceisNice]

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PS : PS : It's funny to see people recruiting MCH only for static, but I guess that just proves the point.

Likewise for 3.0~3.1 when the inverse was true. But honestly, when statics are straight up refusing specific jobs for the sake of progression, it proably isn't a good static to be in to begin with. Before MCH was also consistently behind BRD on top of having less representation, but it still didn't stop groups from taking them in.

[ruskie]

http://www.fflogs.com/statistics/10/...gregate=amount

You know the fun bit about fflogs? Numbers tend to be padded one way or another. Are you comparing similar teams(i.e. all have ast, all have drg, all have nin, all have sch), with similar clear times when comparing? From what I see that's not really it.

Fun fact the one bard that had like a 2.2k parse in a2s - they got that because they got padded with balances etc...

[Slyqc]

Likewise for 3.0~3.1 when the inverse was true. But honestly, when statics are straight up refusing specific jobs for the sake of progression, it proably isn't a good static to be in to begin with. Before MCH was also consistently behind BRD on top of having less representation, but it still didn't stop groups from taking them in.

So your point is, do not balance the classes because MCH had his hard time in previous patch so this time it's time for Bard to have a hard time? (That's a lot of time. lol)

[Tsilyi]

I honestly don't know how you came to that conclusion after reading Flo's post...

[RiceisNice]

So your point is, do not balance the classes because MCH had his hard time in previous patch so this time it's time for Bard to have a hard time? (That's a lot of time. lol)

No, I'm saying that parties who don't take BRD because of reasons like fflogs most likely aren't good parties anyway if they are taking the job over a player. And in a meta sense, BRDs have been uncontested since 2.x for party compositions, only until 3.x did they start competing for a raid slot (and they were still better at it in certain areas, and is still the case now but to a lesser extent.)

[Judge_Xero]

BRD/MCH does still look pretty close in damage.

If you look at Aiurily Ari in the logs, they are a competent player for both Bard and Machinist and it looks like the run content as both classes. I'm not sure how equal the two classes are geared especially with the difference in stat usage between the jobs, but overall their damage is very close between BRD/MCH but as well as that their party DPS is very similar regardless of what job they are playing, it just seems to shift the numbers around slightly.

[MusicGamer]

I personally find that Bard is a fun class to play. I haven't played in any recent hardcore raids or extreme primal fights or what have you, but I do find that the songs sung by Bards are a godsend in a lot of situations (particularly Foe's Requiem when you have casters in the party). Same kinda thing with MCH, albeit different buffs and slightly different means of dealing damage.
Quite honestly, whether you have MCH vs BRD in the party depends on the composition and/or how comfortable the player is in filling that support role (and yes, it is a support role so I would not expect to see super high DPS numbers like you would on classes like Dragoon or Monk).
That being said, I am by no means an expert - I'm still learning a fair number of things myself - so take what I say with a grain of salt.