That BRD support... Main?

[Warlyx]

as brd u arent asked to do MNK numbers not even close , brd is more frustrating in 4 man if there is no caster, but 4 man are so easy that no1 cares.

u need to do your dps and support with songs....and dispel if needed , but like Lunar said , u dont need to sing TP when only 1 player needs TP , u cant see his invigorate CD, wasting your time casting a song and lowering your dps , and when as soon as u finish casting .....the guy uses invigorate .... ¬¬ , same goes for healers , low on mana (start singing )and 5s later nearly full ... dont sing to "support" or feeling usefull , sing when needed.

foe is always good with a caster (or healer dpsing) no1 will say no to extra dmg... but when u lower your dmg for no reason...thats not good :P

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

In the end though, you're still taking up the role of a dps class. No amount of support is going to offset low numbets, but you'd have to be playing astoundingly bad ( or misplaced/don't care) to drop that far; like sub 500 dps at 60

Oh you're absolutely right; I'm just a bit wound up about it lately as suddenly, my former static began pointing fingers of blame over low DPS as a reason why we weren't clearing Hummelfaust on the first night (lol, good as we are, not one of us were THAT good). Having gone back to the drawing board a bit, I realize I'm not only fine as I was, I'm pretty much doing what I should be doing damage wise with the current gearing I have. Sad to see my static (they're all FC too) start to slip into being all about numbers like that, but it's cool. They tried to replace me once. Let's see how well that works again.

[RiceisNice]

Oh you're absolutely right; I'm just a bit wound up about it lately as suddenly, my former static began pointing fingers of blame over low DPS as a reason why we weren't clearing Hummelfaust on the first night (lol, good as we are, not one of us were THAT good). Having gone back to the drawing board a bit, I realize I'm not only fine as I was, I'm pretty much doing what I should be doing damage wise with the current gearing I have. Sad to see my static (they're all FC too) start to slip into being all about numbers like that, but it's cool. They tried to replace me once. Let's see how well that works again.

You really shouldn't trail that far behind anyone else though. If you're like 300dps behind on a typical fight then something's wrong. Not to mention hummelfaust isn't your typical dps check. You can fail it for other reasons aside from not doing enough damage, such as not managing cooldowns or timing your burst properly (nor is it a proper way to gauge effective dps, because I don't use my burst on the first set of faust, and as a MCH that drops my dps by a lot)

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm glad to hear that's what you do as well as far as saving the burst for Hummelfaust. Only further cements that I was on the right track. My only fault, if any, was lacking a 220 weapon (probably not really necessary, and I was "accidentally" left out of the rest of their Seph Ex farming for said weapons) and a few odd gear pieces/melds. Beyond that, I'm not particularly lacking in my abilities as a MCH, but tell that to people who don't know the job, yet suddenly are trying to tell you how to do it/do it better.

If anything I had to take it as the signs of a static taking a bad turn and bow out gracefully. If it wasn't enough before, then we wouldn't have cleared the things we did. A disappointment, but not a setback. And in the time since, I've only come to learn that I've in fact been doing it "right" all along.

[LunarEmerald]

More times than not, if you're failing a dps check, it's the melee that isn't doing enough. Melees should be well above range in numbers. The composition could also be to blame; not having a dragoon or ninja. Lots of groups that didn't run a dragoon had trouble with A1S's faust when the Alexander Savage just opened up.

[Judge_Xero]

You really shouldn't trail that far behind anyone else though.

Yeah, BRD/MCN shouldn't be far behind other DPS at all on Hummel. Other than SMN/MNK within 100 DPS should be spot on, unless your other DPS are low, then you could be @ or above their numbers.

Like if the top DPS in your group is 1400 DPS and you think, oh I'm @ 1200 DPS so that's pretty good, but then realize that MCH can put out 1650 DPS, then it's not really that great.

Besides, what MCH loses in the opener they gain on having two targets (Bishop + Double Dotting + however much AOE you can add given TP usage), and what really matters is bursting down Hummel which MCH is amazing at.

[jssanderson747]

The other day, I was on BRD. I was noted for my low dps (around 1000 on Sephirot)

The only phase I ever play ballad in Sephirot ex is the add phase. There's a lot of downtime for healers and dps so resources aren't necessarily needed if everyone's using their basic cooldowns. I'll be honest though, as a bard, your numbers (especially in final phase) should be near the top due to the amount of uptime you have access to compared to every other job (mch excluded). If you're doing 1000 dps by the end of ex, I can only really assume you're wasting a ton of uptime and dps casting songs that are unnecessary.