Thread: 3.2, one of the best patches so far?

Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

+ Seasonal events - Hatching Tide repeatable quests are much better and different from anything I have seen in seasonal events so far.

Two of the event quests are actually the modification of gold saucer's Vase Off and Time of my Life..

It's... okay. Not great, nothing particularly special, but its okay. MSQ wise, it's a bit light, and Hildy is over before it even starts (guess I have to look forward to the next major patch), though I did like the other quest involving the scholasticate which I felt was a bit more fleshed out. Tank changes leave me with some mixed feelings. I always used tank gear, so it was a big DPS increase for me on Paladin, but it raised the gap between Warrior and Paladin DPS significantly which isn't so good.

Tier 4 recipe books for crafting I should have expected, but I would have preferred them to reduce the costs for the older books or raise the number of scrips gained. Crafting collectibles for scrips is already an expensive endeavor and it just got worse. No real opinion on the PvP stuff, because I don't care about PvP.

All in all, an adequate patch but I couldn't honestly call it one of the best.

Originally Posted by SerahFarron

The tank nerf has put me off from tanking and this game entirely because tanking is the only thing I like doing. No one likes their favorite class to nerfed. This nerf was absolutely unnecessary.

To be fair, calling it a nerf depends entirely on your point of view. For players who equipped actual tank gear, they would've seen a marked increase on their damage. Their reasoning behind the patch actually made a lot of sense, because there were a LOT of tanks who were forgoing defense in favour of pure attack, which was upsetting over-stretched healers (myself included on occasion), and rendering actual tank equipment redundant.

Now, I do agree that they needed to put a bit more thought behind it and perhaps make adjustments accordingly to keep things at a level, but calling it an outright nerf isn't exactly accurate.

Originally Posted by Lemuria

For players who equipped actual tank gear, they would've seen a marked increase on their damage. Their reasoning behind the patch actually made a lot of sense, because there were a LOT of tanks who were forgoing defense in favour of pure attack, which was upsetting over-stretched healers (myself included on occasion), and rendering actual tank equipment redundant.

That falls on the players hands not on the class. I'm sure you know this but VIT doesn't increase defense. A mix of STR/VIT was the best option for progression raiding. Having enough HP for tank busters but also being able to put out high damage is necessary for progression clears. Once you are over geared for the content you go full STR. You don't see Elysium's tanks in full VIT in savage pre 3.2 for a reason.

Now for tank gear being redundant, maybe if they did something with parry you would have an argument but "tank gear" was useless in pre 3.2. SE needs to stop being lazy and do something with parry.

Originally Posted by SerahFarron

That falls on the players hands not on the class. I'm sure you know this but VIT doesn't increase defense.

Sure, but it does increase HP, which gives tanks a lot more breathing room against cleaves. The problem was there were a lot of tanks going with full strength accessories (I mean belt, rings, neck, the works), and some of these tanks barely had enough HP to survive these attacks.

Granted, it falls on the player at the end of the day, but the mechanics weren't exactly helping things along. Players needed a reason to WANT to equip vitality gear, and SE gave them one. Perhaps not the best implementation of it, but you can't blame them for at least trying.

Originally Posted by SerahFarron

That falls on the players hands not on the class. I'm sure you know this but VIT doesn't increase defense. A mix of STR/VIT was the best option for progression raiding. Having enough HP for tank busters but also being able to put out high damage is necessary for progression clears. Once you are over geared for the content you go full STR. You don't see Elysium's tanks in full VIT in savage pre 3.2 for a reason.

Now for tank gear being redundant, maybe if they did something with parry you would have an argument but "tank gear" was useless in pre 3.2. SE needs to stop being lazy and do something with parry.

Except that is markedly untrue. Prior to 3.2, Fending gear was objectively inferior to progression raiding. This meant not only was gear specifically designed for tanks being left on the floor, it put three whole jobs at odds with melee DPS. Sure, they could (and should) fix Parry, but that doesn't change the fact STR tanking was never intended to be a thing. It would again mean having a whole stat (VIT) be ignored by a large portion of the community. In progression content, many VIT tanks were looked down on because STR was simply better. What you're demanding is, ironically, SE be lazy and ignore all the aforementioned because you're unwilling to adjust to slightly lower DPS.

Originally Posted by Lemuria

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No matter what, it's still a nerf because players lost the option to choose from.. It's kinda like if the developer decides to opt out selene but giving eos a buff.. For those who only use eos, it might be giving them a plus side, but having selene is much more important than eos itself being buffed..

Originally Posted by lvlagmarink

No matter what, it's still a nerf because players lost the option to choose from.. It's kinda like if the developer decides to opt out selene but giving eos a buff.. For those who only use eos, it might be giving them a plus side, but having selene is much more important than eos itself being buffed..

This comment irks me because it is completely not the same thing. No other class had the option to swap accessories like tanks did. If a DRG/BRD/Caster wore VIT accessories (outside of maybe PVP) they would be shunned or if any DPS decided to use an accessory that wasn't their jobs main stat. All classes had the option to meld crafted accessories and they still do but now tanks need to depend on their main stat just like every other class needs to.