People are deliberately ruining the story for others

[Aerish]

Damn, the time i was finishing ARR, i don't remember being able to hit one Boss, tho i do remember ppl spamming me to quit cinematics :s

[LordNickage]

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This. So much.

Yeah it sucks dealing with zero rushes. But at least it is only two dungeons in the ENTIRE story. Deal as best you can, or use PF, and move on knowing it won't be an issue again.

[Mjollnir]

So use Party Finder instead of Duty Finder and specify full clear. Go with friends from your Free Company or people on your server who will be excited to take you through those instances. Duty Finder's the quickest option, but it's not the only one.

[WinterLuna]

People only run the old content for the rewards in the first place. Gate people like this and you'll have a lot less people queuing for them, and then you'll be complaining about the lack of people queuing. It sucks that you can't watch the cutscenes but otherwise you'll have an even harder time.

[Eidolon]

People only run the old content for the rewards in the first place. Gate people like this and you'll have a lot less people queuing for them, and then you'll be complaining about the lack of people queuing. It sucks that you can't watch the cutscenes but otherwise you'll have an even harder time.

Hmn, I can't really agree with this.

Consider this:
Your regular MSQ Roulette is 120 Poetics + 20 (Praetorium)
The bonus for taking a new player through the Roulette is 100 poetics.


Effectively, the bonus makes up for the 'extra time' the player would add onto the run (in the case of new player bonus.)

However, due to the overwhealming greed of the players who want to 'run fast and get it done', these players are penalized in the game.

In the scenario of having a new player, giving them some more control in these dungouns would be beneficial for all. But as it stands, the power is in the hands of the veterans - which can be either good or bad. Most new players are just conditioned to know better now but it was pretty bad at the start.

The worst part of this, to me, is that these players run without a concern for the new player, and take the new player bonus. It's like double-dipping in grime.

[CyrilLucifer]

Consider this:
Your regular MSQ Roulette is 120 Poetics + 20 (Praetorium)
The bonus for taking a new player through the Roulette is 100 poetics..

No, they're right. It wouldn't be worth the time. You can get in and out of WP HM and AK HM in 15 minutes each (I even had a Sash HM DF group do it in 19 minutes, so even that is decently fast). Both of those dungeons possibly come with a bonus as well. If players were forced to stay in a prison while someone watches cutscenes, I could run WP/AK HM three times in the same amount of time it takes to finish one Main Scenario Roulette for more of a reward.

So, no thank you.

[Eidolon]

No, they're right. It wouldn't be worth the time. You can get in and out of WP HM and AK HM in 15 minutes each (I even had a Sash HM DF group do it in 19 minutes, so even that is decently fast). Both of those dungeons possibly come with a bonus as well. If players were forced to stay in a prison while someone watches cutscenes, I could run WP/AK HM three times in the same amount of time it takes to finish one Main Scenario Roulette for more of a reward.

So, no thank you.

But let me ask you this

Do you think if they made it so the Poetics bonus was more substantially (Doubled, even tripled) that people would show any care?

et's face it - once the player is in the dungoun, they're hostage to the rest of the party. They can leave if they're willing to eat a penalty, but no many are like that.

Really. It's a case where the players want to get the bonus, run it at their speed, AND get the roulette. The only one not shown consideration is the new player in these cases.

@Eidolon, while that's true you don't actually know you're going to even get a new player when you queue for Main Scenario roulette. Of course it's likely, but not a guaranteed.

Plus, I know a lot of people who would still decide that those 100 tomes weren't worth it if they had to wait the extra 10-15 minutes for the new player. You're right, people are greedy.

Aye, there's no garuntee of it. That's why the suggestions to 'block' things is often restricted to new players - not to the general progression of the dungoun, itself.

But yea, if the issue's the reward, I could see them being able to raise it if they ever DID implement a way to 'gate' the areas.

[Scorcher24]

However, due to the overwhealming greed [snip]

So much this.
Not only are they taking the new player bonus, if you ask to slow down, you get insulted. Doing that dungeon is basically standing at the entrance, not knowing where to go or what to do and trying to watch one cut-scene after another while you get yelled at in chat.

It is the same excuses that pop up, that you see on a PvP Server in other games - I got ganked on low level too, so deal with it. That they have the power to stop it, by just slowing down a bit and wait those 5 minutes, that is not an option for any of those people. And "watch it at the inn" is a really poor argument. It is not the same.

It is a shame that a story heavy game like this needs to stop cut-scenes. Another case of the new "gamer" generation ruining a game and stripping it to meta gaming and zerg rushing for loot, just to complain 1 hour after a patch is out that they ran out of content.

[Ashkendor]

It is a shame that a story heavy game like this needs to stop cut-scenes. Another case of the new "gamer" generation ruining a game and stripping it to meta gaming and zerg rushing for loot, just to complain 1 hour after a patch is out that they ran out of content.

Now that's a strawman if I ever saw one. The devs don't need to stop cutscenes and nobody's saying they do. They simply need to put them in better places (i.e. before entering the dungeon or after the run is finished), which they have already started doing. It's not about whether or not players have a right to watch the cutscenes - they absolutely do. The thing is, the other seven people in the party also have the right to go through the dungeon at their pace. I'll give SE this - a full run through those dungeons by a party all on the same page is pretty cool. I've taken more than one FC mate through them so they could watch all the cutscenes and still do the boss fights, sometimes even turning cutscenes on myself. You run into problems when people that are there for different reasons are suddenly all in the same dungeon, though. That's where the concept falls apart, and the fact that we are encouraged to go back and redo content is the reason that SE is no longer placing cutscenes into dungeons the way they did in 2.0.

Seriously? Every dungeon in the game takes not more than 30 minutes. But I guess you never played a real mmorpg in the olden days.

I've been gaming online since 1995, so your condescending comments about the 'good ol days' are wasted on me.

They're wasted on a lot of us, actually. This game seems to attract a healthy population of older players.

I think new players might prefer longer queue times provided they have a pleasant experience once in the dungeon rather than quicker queue times that result in a frustrating and disappointing experience - particularly one that is the culmination of a storyline they may have an interest in.

I dunno about that. There have been quite a few times where I'd jump into ARF as tank/healer because I'd see some hapless person in Idyllshire shouting that they'd been waiting literally hours in the DPS queue for it. If CM/Praetorium weren't in the MS Roulette, they'd most likely be even worse than that. I still think unsyncing them with a couple of friends is the best option.

[_slowpoke_]

People only run the old content for the rewards in the first place. Gate people like this and you'll have a lot less people queuing for them, and then you'll be complaining about the lack of people queuing. It sucks that you can't watch the cutscenes but otherwise you'll have an even harder time.

This. There were times before 3.2 when some classes, especially DPS, had upwards of hours of queue time for ARF, because it wasn't part of ANY roulette and nobody had any reason to run it again except for shits, giggles, and the music (I did that a few times), or maybe for helping out a friend or FC member. It was a huge oversight not to put ARF in any roulette until 3.2 and this is why it is now part of the Lvl 60 roulette.

If the old MSQ 8-player dungeons weren't part of a roulette that still gives relevant rewards, literally no one would be doing them. The problem with them getting zerg rushed (and this is, as others have pointed out, not a new thing) is because these dungeons, by design, allow for such strategies, and they never got any sort of ilvl sync. ARF, on the other hand, is for the most part impossible to speed run, and the only part where you could conceivable pull while someone is watching cutscenes is during the last two bosses, and those cutscenes, aren't too long and (iirc) do not contain dialog boxes, so they are guaranteed to always take the same time. It's a good compromise between helping new players progress through the MSQ and offering veteran players an incentive to run it.

The whole situations with the MSQ roulette dungeons is regrettable (I say this as someone who started playing during 2.5 and therefore had the same issue with having to choose between watching cutscenes and actually doing the dungeon), but probably impossible to fix at this point in the game. My advice for people who want to run those dungeons "as intended" would be put up a PF group for a run with no cutscene skipping - I'd be on board provided I have time, and I'm surely not the only one who would be willing to help out.