Question about damage Dex vs. (Str + Attack power)

[Seyra]

Thank you vana!

I did some tests too. I'm going to get a parser to confirm that but the conclusion seems to be the same as yours, and same as everyone here I see.
I first came here because I was looking for an answer to this question: Why we cannot meld a Strength Materia to a bow whereas we can meld a Dexterity Materia? (I noticed KRose mentioned it too)

All these tests could be the answer.

[Davern]

Can someone help me make sense of this? Went back for a fourth test.

DEX: 155

STR: 129

PIE: 159

ATK: 250

# of atks: 51

DPS: 29.06 (irrelevent)

Crit: 3.92%

Min:131 Max: 154

Avg: 142.94

CrtMi: 179 CritMa: 203

Dmg: 5528


Somehow adding 10 Dex and 23 PIE gave me nearly the same results as Test 2, this isn't making any sense to me. Shouldn't I see atleast 3dmg increase within min and max or AT LEAST the avg?

[KRose]

I forgot I posted here. Long story short, increasing DEX increased the damage of Light Shot. I used the parser that Carraway linked here (thanks for that btw!) to come to that conclusion. Now as far as Foeseeker or weaponskill damage in general... that I haven't extensively tested yet. I would assume at this point you would at least want Attack Power to a point. I have +19ATK on my hands but I'm not sure if that's enough to see anything noticeable. I can play around with that too though... no harm done in that.

[Sarik]

I applied attack power on my hands and noticed about a 10-15% increase in dmg in light shotn; nothing crazy. However i think your right about the dex materia in a bow. If it is like FFXI i would think SE would go back to that. I mean thats what I thought initially about this game with dex.

[vana]

It scales similarly against stronger enemies as well, others have run similar tests in practical situations. DEX is the archer damage stat, and it behaves as STR does for other classes, plain and simple.

There is no oddball capping done on L1 enemies, it is representative enough to show accurate trending, insofar as proving that a particular attribute is altering our base damage.

Also, I'm not sure what math you're doing, but the min damage increase was 11 (474-463) and the max damage increase was 13 (554-541). So in actuality, the max damage increased more, not the min. In truth though both increased roughly equally which resulted in the higher average, so, yeah. Not really sure what point you're trying to make.

We're DEX based, plain and simple. If you want to do further testing, do testing that revolves around attack power vs dexterity and their relative benefits. I don't have the resources to do so, but that'd be the next logical step. My assumption, however, would be that it scales as STR does presently, which is a rough 2:3 ratio of STR:ATK.

I also ran numbers on single-arrow foeseeker, it scales directly with dexterity too. There have been a number of other corroborating tests recently, in this very thread and on other forums.

[Physic]

It scales similarly against stronger enemies as well, others have run similar tests in practical situations. DEX is the archer damage stat, and it behaves as STR does for other classes, plain and simple.

There is no oddball capping done on L1 enemies, it is representative enough to show accurate trending, insofar as proving that a particular attribute is altering our base damage.

Also, I'm not sure what math you're doing, but the min damage increase was 11 (474-463) and the max damage increase was 13 (554-541). So in actuality, the max damage increased more, not the min. In truth though both increased roughly equally which resulted in the higher average, so, yeah. Not really sure what point you're trying to make.

We're DEX based, plain and simple. If you want to do further testing, do testing that revolves around attack power vs dexterity and their relative benefits. I don't have the resources to do so, but that'd be the next logical step. My assumption, however, would be that it scales as STR does presently, which is a rough 2:3 ratio of STR:ATK.

I also ran numbers on single-arrow foeseeker, it scales directly with dexterity too. There have been a number of other corroborating tests recently, in this very thread and on other forums.

hmm interesting if its the case, kind of makes dex an overpowered stat for an archer then, if it effects damage and accuracy, with the upcoming stat allocation returning, it would make archer a beast, we ll see how this develops

[Richard_BG]

corroborated vana's testing last night and had the same conclusion.

[carraway]

I understand what you're getting at, but you can actually control for the factors you're discussing: Amalj'aa Drubbers outside Zahar'ak always spawn at L50, the mobs that spawn outside the main cities are easy to find at L1, and Ifrit is (presumably) always a specific level. Drubbers and L1 mobs never use debuffs or buffs that affect DPS output.

[Seyra]

Dexterity

• Accuracy
• Block Rate
• Parry
• Damage dealt by archer arms

From Patch 1.20 Note.

[KRose]

Yay ._. now what's the extent that Piety actually does as far as our damage goes >_< I expected it to influence the damage over time (plus the "burst") of Bloodletter, but not actual damage overall.