FFXIV moved away from auto-attack while WOW went without... how odd.

[Mishakai]

You still spam actions now, since there is no queueing of actions and lag is horrible.

Maybe *you* do... I don't. I have quite the leisurely time playing on my controller now. Dare I say, combat is even.... gasp... fun...

[ellohwell]

Maybe *you* do... I don't. I have quite the leisurely time playing on my controller now. Dare I say, combat is even.... gasp... fun...

La-de-freaking-da.

What? Do you live inside the FFXIV servers or something?

Everyone else experiences lag and has to spam actions so quit rubbing our faces in it.

[Mishakai]

La-de-freaking-da.

What? Do you live inside the FFXIV servers or something?

Everyone else experiences lag and has to spam actions so quit rubbing our faces in it.

No.. I still get some lag, but nothing that has effected me negatively in combat. Sometimes I have to hit my A button twice for an action to fire off, not a big deal. The only time I spam my action is when I see the mob readying a special ability and I'm like 1 auto attack from having enough TP to fire of an ability to either stop the mobs ability or kill it.. then I spam my a button on the ability to beat the mob to the punch.

The only times I experienced any real lag was when I had my graphics settings up too high for my video card, then EVERYTHING would lag.. movement, combat, menus etc.

[Alerith]

Everyone else experiences lag and has to spam actions so quit rubbing our faces in it.

Yea, don't speak for everyone, thanks.

I don't have to spam actions and it hasn't impacted my combat capabilities negatively. So it's a person by person basis.

[Hachiko]

Yea, don't speak for everyone, thanks.

I don't have to spam actions and it hasn't impacted my combat capabilities negatively. So it's a person by person basis.

You have to be joking. There is so much lag that ensuring an action goes off relies on an immense amount of button spamming, particularly now that there is no action queuing.

FFXIV combat is atrocious. It's downright horrible. It's slow. You generally sit there for 5-10 seconds doing nothing while you wait for your TP bar to fill, and having that time double if you miss. Actions take a huge amount of time to go off (2-3 seconds after the button press). Animation lock is a terrible concept, particularly when things like crit animations take twice as long to play.

Defending the current system for whatever reason is just ridiculous.

[Shipp]

You have to be joking. There is so much lag that ensuring an action goes off relies on an immense amount of button spamming, particularly now that there is no action queuing.

FFXIV combat is atrocious. It's downright horrible. It's slow. You generally sit there for 5-10 seconds doing nothing while you wait for your TP bar to fill, and having that time double if you miss. Actions take a huge amount of time to go off (2-3 seconds after the button press). Animation lock is a terrible concept, particularly when things like crit animations take twice as long to play.

Defending the current system for whatever reason is just ridiculous.

People claiming XIV's combat system is lag free are just deluded. They have no clue what actual lag-free (or as close to possible) combat is. Having to even "sometimes" hit a button twice for it to register is a HUGE red flag that the combat system is horrible.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

You have to be joking. There is so much lag that ensuring an action goes off relies on an immense amount of button spamming, particularly now that there is no action queuing.

FFXIV combat is atrocious. It's downright horrible. It's slow. You generally sit there for 5-10 seconds doing nothing while you wait for your TP bar to fill, and having that time double if you miss. Actions take a huge amount of time to go off (2-3 seconds after the button press). Animation lock is a terrible concept, particularly when things like crit animations take twice as long to play.

Defending the current system for whatever reason is just ridiculous.

I don't know what classes you play but I never have said problems. On top of that the wait is way less when compared to having to wait for 100% TP in FFXI. The current system does has a few flaws but nothing game breaking. As a Lancer you should never have to wait long for you attacks especially with Speed Surge up.

People claiming XIV's combat system is lag free are just deluded. They have no clue what actual lag-free (or as close to possible) combat is. Having to even "sometimes" hit a button twice for it to register is a HUGE red flag that the combat system is horrible.

By the way lag comes from the server side problems that is well known in the game right now and is going to be fixed. The problems doesn't come from the combat system, if you knew anything or had a lick of common sense you would understand that much.

[Shipp]

By the way lag comes from the server side problems that is well known in the game right now and is going to be fixed. The problems doesn't come from the combat system, if you knew anything or had a lick of common sense you would understand that much.

Did I say it came from the combat system? No. I said there is lag when it comes to combat. Learn to read.

The point that it comes from the servers is proof that EVERYONE has it, so these people stating that they don't are either lying or have no clue what we're even referring to.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Did I say it came from the combat system? No. I said there is lag when it comes to combat. Learn to read.

The point that it comes from the servers is proof that EVERYONE has it, so these people stating that they don't are either lying or have no clue what we're even referring to.

You said that the combat system is horrible because of the lag more or less. So that could be easily misunderstood to what you was actually trying to say. I experience the lag sometimes and then other times it is completely lag free and it could be partially due to my isp and the fact that I play wireless.

Just because you have "less wait than XI" doesn't make it reasonable in this day and age. Maybe there are people who, like yourself, enjoy the completely passive mode of playing where you sit there and wait 5-10 seconds to do anything. (and that wait is pretty inarguable when it takes an action 1 to 2 seconds to register and an additional 3 seconds for the animation to play).

The current combat system is horrible. Does it function? Yes. Is it game breaking? That depends on your description of game breaking. Clearly for you anything that "functions" is ok as long as it has the FF label on it. But in a world of modern games and MMOs, many people want something that is both more fluid and more engaging. That is what FFXIV needs to succeed.

Sitting around waiting for attacks to register, waiting for animations to finish playing, and waiting for your very slow auto attacks to play is beyond tedious when it comes to combat. That, tacked onto the horrible, horrible targeting system makes for completely broken, even if functional, combat.

And the comment about speed surge II is cute. Yes, go from waiting 3.7 seconds between auto attacks to 3.4 seconds! What a sea change in speed! Only needing 3 attacks to fill up the TP gauge is still over 12 seconds. Even throwing Ferocity, Raging or MI in there still makes for incredibly, incredibly slow game play.

I will offer you the same advice as I offer all who just complain like you do. Quit the game and try again once the real final product is released. Don't get on the forums and complain about it because it makes you look like the rest of the trolls out there who come December will have their forum privileges revoked. I understand your opinion but you haven't left it at simply stating an opinion and you have went into a cacophony of whining and moaning and calling the game garbage. The players know already that the game they are playing is still semi broken and FFXIV 2.0 is the fix, it's a year away so take it or leave it.

[Hachiko]

I don't know what classes you play but I never have said problems. On top of that the wait is way less when compared to having to wait for 100% TP in FFXI. The current system does has a few flaws but nothing game breaking. As a Lancer you should never have to wait long for you attacks especially with Speed Surge up.



By the way lag comes from the server side problems that is well known in the game right now and is going to be fixed. The problems doesn't come from the combat system, if you knew anything or had a lick of common sense you would understand that much.

Just because you have "less wait than XI" doesn't make it reasonable in this day and age. Maybe there are people who, like yourself, enjoy the completely passive mode of playing where you sit there and wait 5-10 seconds to do anything. (and that wait is pretty inarguable when it takes an action 1 to 2 seconds to register and an additional 3 seconds for the animation to play).

The current combat system is horrible. Does it function? Yes. Is it game breaking? That depends on your description of game breaking. Clearly for you anything that "functions" is ok as long as it has the FF label on it. But in a world of modern games and MMOs, many people want something that is both more fluid and more engaging. That is what FFXIV needs to succeed.

Sitting around waiting for attacks to register, waiting for animations to finish playing, and waiting for your very slow auto attacks to play is beyond tedious when it comes to combat. That, tacked onto the horrible, horrible targeting system makes for completely broken, even if functional, combat.

And the comment about speed surge II is cute. Yes, go from waiting 3.7 seconds between auto attacks to 3.4 seconds! What a sea change in speed! Only needing 3 attacks to fill up the TP gauge is still over 12 seconds. Even throwing Ferocity, Raging or MI in there still makes for incredibly, incredibly slow gameplay.