FFXIV moved away from auto-attack while WOW went without... how odd.

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Thanks for proving my point.

Also:

really because creating a buy a 12month annual pass for wow and get diablo 3 for free isnt an obvious we know your gonna stop playing this game so we want you to buy a pass so it looks as if our subscription numbers arnt plummeting isnt a con.

1. You could remove that from the quote as if I said that, when I did not.
2. Believe it or not, there are people who are happy with WoW and want to buy a year's sub. Guess what, these people get their wish plus a free copy of D3.

I'm the first to admit WoW is bleeding subs. However you and the rest of the XI/XIV fanboys are making more out of it than what it is. Even if WoW lost 75% of the player base, they would still have more players than every MMO on the market. XIV will never be on WoW's popularity level, and I'm thankful for that. WoW has attracted a lot of people who aren't gamers, and who definitely aren't MMO players. This started mainly in WoTLK, because you could see an obvious decline in the community at that point. Fragheads aren't hard to notice, and XIV also has its share of them. Another thing that isn't hard to notice are white knights and fanboys who rely on their wet dreams about SE instead of logic. WoW is not 100% bad or good. A lot of good features have been added to WoW that future MMO devs are just plain stupid if they don't implement them in some -WORKABLE- fashion. To imply that anything that comes from WoW is bad and shouldn't be in XIV is the type of thinking that would kill this game. As the other poster said, XI and XIV's community is THE MOST hostile MMO community when it comes to WoW. There is no reason for this, and as I said, every MMO has a small portion of people that bash WoW even though they really have no reason to, though XI and XIV's community is the most rabid in the aspect. Even a good change that WoW implements gets perverted into a negative. That type of community will kill a game long before any failure SE implements.

A large factor of whether this game will make a comeback in 2.0 or not is whether the community is still as ignorant and rude when it comes to WoW as it is now, or whether they learn that WoW can coexist with XIV without the need to bash WoW at every chance. Whether people want to believe it or not, this game will need subs at 2.0 to succeed. The MMO pie is only so big, which means those subs are going to have to come from another MMO and not solely on the XI crowd and people who haven't played MMOs. Being rude and straight up bashing valid features WoW has introduced or expanded upon is going to put off that portion of the joining players (even though I started with XI, I'll leave 2.0 of this game in a heartbeat if people can't get over WoW and just enjoy their own damn game) and XIV will suffer at the hands of the community.

*** about a game you hate exudes an air of insecurity. It's exactly like high school where the stupid, but "popular" students bashed the smart students who didn't care about their perceived image in a setting where it didn't even matter. XIV is the "popular" crowd that never actually matters when it comes to real life, because the rest of the people grow up and learn to enjoy what they want and not care about what other people think about what they enjoy (WoW). Where does this leave those popular people? In a sad and pathetic state where everyone can see how desperate they are, yet they cling to the superficial sense of self-importance when they're only bashing something else to make up for their own shortcomings.

Think about that for a while before you mindlessly bash something that you have not fully experienced. I love when I read people who bash WoW who did not participate in raids or endgame, yet they are the first people to jump on reviews about XIV that state the game is a boring grindfest with no content because, "Those reviewers didn't get to rank 50 so their opinion is invalidated. There is plenty to do at 50."

Double standards. Everyone else can see them but you.