DRG should have a special quest called "how to use heavy thrust"

[JackFross]

What is wrong is kicking people just because they're not using a skill you feel they should use. That's what I take issue with.

I strongly disagree. I feel that the community needs to have some sort of accountability for being woefully trash at your Job. I don't mean "doing low dps because of sub-optimal cooldown/rotations" - I mean "ignoring the base mechanics of your Job." A Summoner using no DoT spells, a Dragoon ignoring Heavy Thrust, a Ninja using 0 Ninjutsu - these are all scenarios I have encountered in duty finder dungeon runs at level 60.

At the same time, I have also encountered tanks who mass pull and pop not a single cooldown and then bitch me out as the healer for not keeping them alive. I've also encountered a healer who did literally 0 dps and forced me to pull one group at a time with cooldowns because they couldn't keep me up, despite being overgeared.

So, yeah. I do not believe it is wrong to kick a player who is drastically under-performing. I would never kick someone on the basis of a parse number, since that's bull. I WOULD, however, like to feel that I could kick a Black Mage who doesn't use Enochian at 60 without having people like you reporting my ass for "elitism" when I just want people to at least play their job correctly, whether or not that means they're gonna pull 1300-1400 dps.

Sadly even using it some drgs fail, being out dpsed by an under geared min level entry pld in brayflox nm...while he's capped >.>

Well all dps fail :3 I have to say running a parser has certainly opened my eyes

I honestly have no problem with players who are still learning and struggling to figure out how things work. I've offered advice to people in df before and received positive replies. What really annoys me is when I see someone ignoring the base mechanics of their class and then, when I offer friendly advice, I'm told that they know what they're doing. I'm not [insert class here], despite having it at 60.

I personally get frustrated when people choose not to put effort into playing their class in a party setting, espesically if it is out of laziness because at that point, you're not giving any shites to the other 3-7 people's times.

I'm not super bothered by the fact of time. Dungeons in general are a waste of time - they take 20+ minutes to complete in DF, and I often will budget myself 40+ minutes to clear it (including queue time). If someone is a little slow on dps, I don't care. I play my Job to the best of my ability (and usually try and bring a friend with me to make sure half the party is competent, at least) and so it doesn't really bother me if it goes a little slow.

I mostly only get pissy and upset if I see - for example - 0 uses of Goring Blade or Royal Authority out of my Paladin. Or this other time that I had a Warrior who used Maim exactly once on each boss and never anywhere else. Or a White Mage who runs in circles casting the odd heal spell during trash pulls without ever even dropping an Assize or swift A3.

This is people ignoring the base mechanics of their Job, and I don't feel it's right that the game is designed in such a way that we are encouraged not to tell them to get better, because we might be reported for harassment.

You never know if it's out of laziness. In the above case it is but it won't always be. For example I try to keep up on HT but sometimes I get focused on the fight itself and overlook the timer. I also choose to try to hold onto BotD until boss battles because I feel it's more important to have the for the start of the fight then having to wait for the cooldown timer because I wasted it on a trash mob

Neither of these things should be an issue. The Dragoon rotation is static and unchanging on every boss in every dungeon in the game, and BotD is a 60s cooldown - you can use it for every trash pull and have it up for the boss so long as you don't re-pop it at the end of the pull. The only exception is when you have a stellar partner dps, OP healer dps, and a DRK/WAR doing good dps to kill a trash pack in less than 60s - a feat that's rarely ever accomplished in DF.