Lost House - Question

[MomomiMomi]

Then again, this is the company that can't won't spare any more storage space for the inventories of paying subscribers, so I'm not sure what we can honestly expect here.

Fixed that for you.

For the record, "Landmark" (aka "Everquest Next Landmark") required upkeep every month or your plot would be deleted - and getting a desirable plot in that game could be pretty hard. And that's a game that started within the past two years. It didn't start with that feature, but it was added after they realized a) space was limited and b) having inactive neighbors made the game less fun for active players.

Required; past tense. From what I just read about that game, you only need to log in to keep it, and it gives you up to 90 days. This is far more reasonable than 45.

[Gyson]

Required; past tense. From what I just read about that game, you only need to log in to keep it, and it gives you up to 90 days. This is far more reasonable than 45.

Actually it's more complicated (and far less reasonable) than you're letting on. Initially upkeep in Landmark required the gathering and donating of resources, but that system has since changed. Now it's more akin to a time bank.

New players can only be offline for 7 days before losing their claim on a piece of land. For everyone else, for every 2 days you log in you'll get 1 additional day of protection against land reclamation (up to a maximum of 90 days). So, you actually have to log in every day for 6 months to protect your claim for 3 months. That is a LOT more inconvenient than just requiring someone to enter their home once every 45 days.

[MomomiMomi]

Actually it's more complicated (and far less reasonable) than you're letting on. Initially upkeep in Landmark required the gathering and donating of resources, but that system has since changed. Now it's more akin to a time bank.

New players can only be offline for 7 days before losing their claim on a piece of land. For everyone else, for every 2 days you log in you'll get 1 additional day of protection against land reclamation (up to a maximum of 90 days). So, you actually have to log in every day for 6 months to protect your claim for 3 months. That is a LOT more inconvenient than just requiring someone to enter their home once every 45 days.

Point still remains that you can have up to 90 days. We have no such option here no matter what we do.

[Gyson]

Point still remains that you can have up to 90 days. We have no such option here no matter what we do.

Yes, in Landmark you can accrue up to 90 days of time banked provided you are willing to log in every day for 180 days prior. Where as here you must log in once every 45 days. Pick your poison - 180 days of logging in for 90 days of protection, or 1 day of logging in for 45 days of protection. I definitely prefer the latter.

[MomomiMomi]

Yes, in Landmark you can accrue up to 90 days of time banked provided you are willing to log in every day for 180 days prior. Where as here you must log in once every 45 days. Pick your poison - 180 days of logging in for 90 days of protection, or 1 day of logging in for 45 days of protection. I definitely prefer the latter.

The 90 day option.

I'd maybe be okay with 45 days if you didn't lose furniture that can't be removed, and if your items and gil were held for at least 180 days.

[Lexia]

The 90 day option.

I'd maybe be okay with 45 days if you didn't lose furniture that can't be removed, and if your items and gil were held for at least 180 days.

Like someone said before the time will always be short for someone, hold if for 180 days (6 months) a person comes back in the 7 month and be unhappy that all their stuff is gone. 45 days may be too short yes but I still would only bump it to 60 days.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Just a few quick points:

1. WTFast - I don't really want to get much into an argument about WTFast. There were numerous threads in 2014 about this problem from multiple users, and I participated in some of those threads. The end result was that SquareEnix would tell people to contact their ISPs and then the ISPs would tell people to contact SquareEnix. It was a loop resulting in no solutions. Some said they were leaving the game, I just accepted I needed to keep buying WTFast to play this. Other games I can log into without WTFast: Everything else. (EQ, EQ2, Aion, Tera, The Secret World, Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, Diablo 3, any steam game, etc.) I also changed computers since 2014 and the issue remained with FFXIV (and only FFXIV). It's not that relevant to this discussion though to the greater issues at hand.

2. 45 Days v. 5 years. Are you really arguing that these are the same? This is ridiculous to me. There is a huge difference from someone taking a break of a few months and someone who showed no interest in logging in for 5 years. Yes it's a slippery-slope type argument but this argument is clearly a throw-away as written.

3. Obligations. I'll agree again that they aren't obligated or required to do anything. They can shut the game down tomorrow if they felt like it and we wouldn't have anything we could really say about it. But they should have thought this out much better. I've been a Square fan since Final Fantasy I on the NES and have purchased pretty much every game in the series, in addition to other products they sell. I even just bought the collectors edition of heavensward for $60. How they choose to handle their good will is on them. If I knew what was really happening before resubbing I would have walked away and not returned. (I'd probably still buy FFXV though...we'll see.)

4. Landmark: Is this really relevant? The game isn't even officially released yet and comparing expectations for Betas isn't comparable to games that have been released for several years. Also we all know that Daybreak has a huge mess on its hands right now with the cancellation of EQNext and is pretty much not a company to look to if you are trying to avoid PR nightmares.