Since my last post in this thread, I had a farm group disband because they saw a sneaky bonus.

Thanks bonus sneakers, you've just wasted everyone's time waiting in PF by lying and not saying anything about it! I am especially bitter about this because Healer slots for Ex primals in my server's PF are snatched up very, very quickly. So you just made it so that I couldn't join another farm party because there's no space for another hour or more.

Thanks! I really appreciate your thoughtlessness. It really made my day better.

The entire crux of the issue is new players aren't going to be allowed in the party anyway because in many cases they will cause wipes and waste everyone's time. There's nothing elitist about not wanting your time wasted; everyone's time is valuable.

On a side note, being able to clear SephEx is not necessarily the same as being able to farm him, either. I learned SephEx really well clearing him, but I didn't truly become skilled until I farmed him. There are just little tricks you learn to make yourself more efficient. I actually helped people in clear parties so that I could smooth out everything and be positive I wasn't a burden on anyone as well. When joining parties in PF, you learn which parties to avoid specifically because of this.

Take the chance and ask. The absolute worst that can happen from asking is that you'll get denied. Don't sneak, that's at best rude and at worst a huge time waster for all 8 people involved, yourself included.

I agree with the post a few pages back. This isn't even something that should be a debate at all.