Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Ashkendor]

The majority of raiders use a pre made group of 8 people so whats the point in adding the no bonus filter? The whole idea is to find 8 ppl that work together, there is no way a sephi ex run clears perfectly without voice coms.

You can't always get a full party, so people frequently pug for 1-2 spots in PF even when going premade. Yes there's always some adjustment of tactics (it often causes a couple of wipes before a clear while people get used to the strat we're using) but that's completely different than someone that just plain doesn't know what they're doing. This option isn't being made to exclude anyone, because those people are already excluded. The system just doesn't back it up and we're forced to take people at their word. If people didn't lie, it wouldn't be an issue. The party description quite clearly says that we want someone that knows the content. If someone joins the party with a bonus, we aren't taking them for a clear unless that person knows the fight, they've talked to the leader beforehand, and there's some kind of an agreement there. If someone joins the party knowing absolutely nothing about the fight and just looking for a carry, they're just proving that they can exploit the way the system works in order to sneak in. We're basically looking for more rigid system support in the Party Finder to prevent would-be freeloaders from wasting our time.

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

I actually join them pretty frequently to help out or to learn a new role in the fight, as do plenty of other people I know.

Why should the party have to wipe first though? These types of PFs are in PF all the time, adding this would just make it easy for those that set up those parties.

Exactly. It would be an enormous time-saver.

[ScarletDawn]

Eh i give up, only a few of us see this as a tool to split the entitled from those who wish to clear it...just because you haven't done it doesn't mean you do not know the fight..you do not know how many times someone has done it so how can you instantly judge them as being incompetent at the fight?

How does having a Bonus suddenly mean i do not know what to do or im an idiot? Last time i checked u need 8 ppl to clear, if the run is not so much as flawless u wont clear it.

Edit: Maybe its just Lich is full of entitled players who refuse to help people learn.

[CyrilLucifer]

Why would you be joining a farming party if you don't have the fight on farm?

I mean, if you really want the clear, send a message to the one hosting the PF and say you have experience in the fight and ask if they're willing to give you a chance. That's really the respectful thing to do. If you get rejected, you get rejected. I've had a farm group take a new player and he performed okayish, so we kept him. It doesn't hurt to ask if you're confident in your skill.

For something like SephEx (which I am positive this thread was triggered by), I'd be a bit rough on those lying about their experience, too, because it requires everyone know the battle like the back of their hand. But on something we've overgeared, like, say IfritEx? Who cares.

Edit: And just to put it out there, I join Clear parties to help groups clear quite frequently. But you know what? Not joining clear parties doesn't make someone "entitled." Namecalling because someone doesn't want to help others wipe to something they themselves spent hours wiping to is just silly.

[Andrea]

Eh i give up, only a few of us see this as a tool to split the entitled from those who wish to clear it...just because you haven't done it doesn't mean you do not know the fight..you do not know how many times someone has done it so how can you instantly judge them as being incompetent at the fight?

No one is saying that just cause you havent finished the fight doesnt mean you don't know the fight.

Hell the majority of players who start these parties are fine if you send a tell informing them of your status on the fight. Some may not take you but most will.

Its not about not clearing it, its just a method of usually getting quicker clears because, lets be honest for ever 1 that hasn't cleared and could help farm there are 9 other who cant. So this would ensure less need to kick those that try to sneak their way in.

[ScarletDawn]

No one is saying that just cause you havent finished the fight doesnt mean you don't know the fight.

Hell the majority of players who start these parties are fine if you send a tell informing them of your status on the fight. Some may not take you but most will.

Its not about not clearing it, its just a method of usually getting quicker clears because, lets be honest for ever 1 that hasn't cleared and could help farm there are 9 other who cant. So this would ensure less need to kick those that try to sneak their way in.

You dont know some of the people on my server its kinda horrible when people start yelling at each other after 1 wipe...i dont get why people cant accept this is a very hard primal fight. Maybe it should show up who hasnt finished the fight rather then say there is a bonus.

[Andrea]

You dont know some of the people on my server its kinda horrible when people start yelling at each other after 1 wipe...i dont get why people cant accept this is a very hard primal fight. Maybe it should show up who hasnt finished the fight rather then say there is a bonus.

Those people will sadly be rude with or without this addition, I'd be willing to say that every server sadly have those type of peoples.

[Pompoen]

I would honestly really like this option because there is no actual way to be able to know if someone joining your farm party is lying about the 'know the fight' part or not. It would help save the time of everyone else in the party and well---actually get the farm itself going. I have nothing against helping others with clears, especially when I have been helped as well but, a farm party just isn't the way to go to get your clear (or your clear and the mount ), you're not exactly being fair to the other 7 people in the party who are there for loot. As many others have suggested, sending a tell to the party leader if you know the fight and for example are on an alt or any of the other reasons given, goes a long way and its a lot better than joining, lying (which is what the option of the no bonus could help with) and then surprise everyone else with the bonus which will cause different reactions (most likely not all that pleasant) from the people who're there to actually farm

[SuperZay]

That message was placed in the system in order for party's to know if they have new players in the content and for the other players to give them direction in order for everyone to be in the same page. The system was not designed for players to alienate other players because that new bonus message comes up.

Bonus message hurts new players much more than helps unless it's a faceroll dungeon or story trial.
But, then again, before bonus message system people were asking to link achievements or gear from clears so removing it will solve nothing.
What needs to be done is more learning parties like on JP servers so everyone could find their progression or farm goals.

[heynowjose]

There shouldn't even be an argument about this.

1) If you don't want to use this feature, and you want to start a farming party and have no problem with carrying new ppl or new ppl in general great! Don't use it! Have a farming party with "bonus ok"

2) If you want to prevent ppl who havent cleared content form joinning a farming party. Great! Use it! No one will come into the party you have created and break your rules.

3) If you want to join a farming party but haven't even cleared the content., start your own! Or join guy #1 bc he doesn't care but don't lie and get into a "No bonus" party.

Adding this feature simply ensures that guy #2 doesn't have ppl in his party that do not meet his requirements. It's literally an extension of selecting Ilv. Nothing more.
New ppl who haven't cleared content should start their own parties.


Done. This shouldn't even be a conversation. There's no reason to not add this. The only thing that changes is ppl cant lie and join "no bonus" parties. And are then forced to start their own and meet other ppl who havent cleared it and they can work together and clear it.

[CorbinDallas]

There's no rule that states a new player is automatically going to suck, but if you automatically assume so then that's your problem.

But you see, wee little Popoto, should someone who happens to have a bonus, but has been to enrage, /tells me and asks me if they can join, I will consider it. I have done in the past with Thordan EX, my static got to enrage consistently, next day I asked a farm group if I could come in and get my clear and stay and farm for a while. They said yes.

Communication is the problem, not the "assumption that people with bonus suck". You snake into my farm PF with a bonus without saying anything, damn right I'm gonna be pissed. Yes you might be good, but that's not the point. The point is that in my PF requirements I stated you should have cleared the fight before joining this group. If you're gonna ignore a simple request out of spite and jealousy, you're the one with the problem, not me.