Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Fynlar]

It's unlikely that SE is going to add a DF/PF option for what basically amounts to "new players are not allowed to come and try to beat their content"

This game has enough problems with elitism as it is without them encouraging it further.

[Singularity]

Yes, there exist people that got carried through the fight or otherwise have the clear yet cannot perform. The converse is also true: there will be those that can execute every mechanic perfectly while doing their job well, yet for some reason or another don't have the clear.

But these are the exceptions, not the rule.

Adding an option as suggested in the OP would improve the chances of making that rarest of things: a PF farm group that is actually able to farm. I agree it wouldn't be bulletproof, but it would prevent a great deal of grief and wipes/disbands.

To add to the suggestion, it should of course only be selectable if everyone in the party at the time of the PF creation has the clear.

[Radacci]

Still won't stop the people who have it cleared who are terrible too and got carried >_> I've seen people who have a clear on stuff, still no clue how the fight goes and cause wipe after wipe. I went to do A8 the other day, we wiped terribly, so I thought "maybe someone is new", nope, no new bonus. So just think about that.

For all you know, that person with the new bonus knows the whole fight and does well, but got held back by all the bads and terribles. It's not always people with new bonus that cause the wipes.

So i was in this Elite FC, for a bit, and joined a merc run for Titan EX, and they kept wiping, even though they were selling runs for ppl that couldn't clear it; the more hardcore the PF text, is, the worse the experience will be.
Another funny thing is that as time goes on, the ilv req goes up, but parties fail as much or more - people have this silly notion that high ilv=good player; sorry but you'd need 100k hp to survive failed mechanics, and even ilv 999 won't help you if wind doesn't go down.
So yah, no bonus option would do little if anything - it would just be annoying, cause i had to pester and convince people to let me join, when i didn't have clear, even though i could have farmed it, had i been given the chance.

[CorbinDallas]

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You clearly don't get it, at all. If I want to make a farm party, that means that in my PF, I want people who have cleared the fight at least once, preferably more than that.

You think the 6 others with the same idea of going in and farming it are gonna be happy when Mr HiIHaven'tGotPastPhase1 rocks up with his bonus. You think we're gonna be able to complete our personal objective?

Call us selfish, but deliberately wasting the time of 7 other people takes the cake.

[Odett]

It's unlikely that SE is going to add a DF/PF option for what basically amounts to "new players are not allowed to come and try to beat their content"

This game has enough problems with elitism as it is without them encouraging it further.

A farm party is not meant for new players to join and learn the content. A farm implies that you've cleared tv fight before and know how to handle every mechanic for repeated wins. If you join a party while not meeting the expectations set by the PF leader, you're only getting in the way, elitism has absolutely nothing to do with it. Much like the person who rage quite after 3 wipes in a learning party is a jackass, so is the one who doesn't know what they're doing and sneaks into a farm.

[MXMoondoggie]

unfortunately there is no way to get around sometimes playing with people who have a mental function barely above that of a potato. People who are new are fine a lot of people can be taught quite easily if you don't have a chip on your shoulder and hate everyone who doesn't perform to how you demand even if you don't. A bit of patience can often easily get you through a situation with new people unfortunately sometimes it's a waste lol.

[Andrea]

"Let's find as many ways as we can to divide the community and tell people they suck." ... sheesh, I know bad player can be a drag sometimes but people don't magically get better without trying. This community thinks that unless you're gods-gift to gaming you don't deserve a spot on a team.

Please file this suggestion under 'burn it with fire'. Thank you.

I want to create a farm party with people who have cleared the fight before and therefore shouldn't require learning it while we are attempting to farm it.

Unfortunately for me Lemuria believes that they should be allowed in to mess up in a farm party because they, "dont magically get better without trying"

Lets not even get into the fact that someone joining a farm party that well you know can't farm it is essentially saying to 7 other people. carry me.

[Nora_of_Mira]

I want to create a farm party with people who have cleared the fight before and therefore shouldn't require learning it while we are attempting to farm it.

Unfortunately for me Lemuria believes that they should be allowed in to mess up in a farm party because they, "dont magically get better without trying"

Lets not even get into the fact that someone joining a farm party that well you know can't farm it is essentially saying to 7 other people. carry me.

is 5 minutes (assuming you wipe) really that important to you?

is giving someone a chance to clear who maybe has spent days learning the fight but has had bad luck with pf groups that much a burden? if they fail and you can pin the fail on them, Yeah, that person lied, Kick them. worst case scenario, you wasted 5 minutes.

[MXMoondoggie]

Lets not even get into the fact that someone joining a farm party that well you know can't farm it is essentially saying to 7 other people. carry me.

I think that's most people who start farm parties and push up requirements for it. It more or less says "I am starting this party even though I don't know the fight well enough or have the capability to be a leader in the slightest.

Inclusiveness benefits everyone in the end because the pool of people who are competent or can beat content gets that much bigger. Not everyone will be capable but there is no way to measure before if they are certainly not by just knowing they have a clear or not. I feel a lot of thoughts about this can be counter productive because some like the idea of being in a small group of people with experience at content and they want to farm with that small group. It's not everyone just as not everyone who hasn't finished content is bad some people feel intimidated by the idea of joining groups because of the language used in the PF ad. Some others will just join any group trying to get a clear and will eventually find a way through even if they were no help at all. Would you rather have somebody who lets others do all the work and screws up but has cleared because a group didn't kick them or would you have somebody who is new but willing to listen and learn from more experienced players?

[Odett]

is 5 minutes (assuming you wipe) really that important to you?

is giving someone a chance to clear who maybe has spent days learning the fight but has had bad luck with pf groups that much a burden? if they fail and you can pin the fail on them, Yeah, that person lied, Kick them. worst case scenario, you wasted 5 minutes.

We both know that there is a difference between someone who hasn't cleared but knows the fight and sends a tell to the PF leader explaining their situation, and someone who hasn't even been to the last phase and sneaking into the group. It's up to the PF leader to make that decision, not up to the person joining while knowing they don't meet the requirements set by the party.