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    TheValiantOne's Avatar
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    Canas Leonhart
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    Faerie
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    Weaver Lv 53

    Warrior Assitance.

    Okay, so my static and I are trying to progess through A5S, and we are barely beating hummelfaust(sometimes getting a clear from a dot killing him after the 4th panzer). And looking through the numbers it seems my dps is on the low side, ranging between 860-920 dps.

    Now i am ilvl 219 and i know i need to replace my antiquated ravagers boots. I also think i am doing my rotation right. Though there are a few things that i am still a little weary on.

    First of al, do you save all the buffs in order to get out another amped up triple cleave, or should i pop some of the smaller ones when i can such as internal release?

    Also should i be keeping fracture up 100% of the time, or is there times where it is a dps loss.

    To be honest though any and all helpful of advice would be greatly appreciated, i dont like.being the person to hold back my raid team..and i am always greatful for help.
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Pull your Faust in Deliverance, tell your group to kill the other one first so you don't have to worry about enmity. Depending on the rest of your group's DPS, you could be able to use Decimate during Berserk instead of Fell Cleave to do some extra damage to the other Faust. Use Berserk and IR on Faust, they'll be usable again on Hummelfaust when it's almost time for the other tank to Provoke off you. When you're tanking Hummel, you shouldn't need Defiance if you have Vengeance, Thrill and Convalescence available. If your healers are up for it, you can Holmgang the stacking debuff and let them do some extra DPS. Use Fracture if you'll get the full duration out of it.
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    Shodeku Hitsuma
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    Midgardsormr
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    well you could always do what our group did and have the paladin solo tank hummelfaust. :v (no seriously we did).

    but just so you know theres no point in burning the fist two down faster as hummelfaust time till enrage starts the moment hes target-able (my group tested that) so its best for your group to save all the cool-downs they can (mind you hell still spawn and wipe you if you dont have those adds down in time so yea..)
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    Merida Quigg
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    Ultros
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    Culinarian Lv 80
    Save beserk for Hummel have the other tank pick him up go nuts and then kill him! Usually tank swap about 30%
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    Graylle Celestia
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 70
    So we have our PLD solo tank it and we solo heal it. Our SCH just DPSes and lets selene do the support healing.

    I parse for about 1150 on a dummy with no food, no pots, no party buff.

    I infuriate shortly before the pull and pop internal release shortly after. The reasoning for this that the double fausts have a ~60 second timer on them so if you infuriate and IR at the times I do, you will have both ready for when Hummel lands.

    I also try to prime a maim or eye for when Hummel lands. That way, you can entire your triple FC in sync with BL and TA. From there it's just a matter of basic WAR DPS.
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    Nel Synestra
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    Moogle
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    That way, you can entire your triple FC in sync with BL and TA.
    Sorry for slight offtopic but seeing you are rolling with NiN i must ask how much easier Shadewalker makes tanking when in DPS stance? Mainly asking as we lost one of our DPS before we could even enter savage so recruiting a NiN could be a option due Shadewalker and TA(we have awesome DRG so BL is covered).
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Moogle
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    So we have our PLD solo tank it and we solo heal it.
    I'm curious what kind of numbers your PLD is doing by main tanking. We have the WAR pull Hummel with regular Unchained Berserk into Deliverance for hate lead, and swap mid way when CDs run low. Party also kills Faust on the WAR first, so I can pull in, and never drop, Sword Oath and avoid losing a GCD. I figured that was the best way to maintain high hate lead and lose as little GCDs as possible while maintaining max damage from both tanks. The last Faust kill, we had WAR around 896 and me PLD about 995, both of us being around i216 (sephi weapons).
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    Last edited by Kitfox; 03-11-2016 at 10:11 PM. Reason: Rechecked numbers.

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    Player Brian_'s Avatar
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    Graylle Celestia
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    Tonberry
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    To the two questions,

    Shadewalker is mainly for the pull. It's not going to make extended DPS stance tanking any more viable for you. All it really does is allow you to switch to SwO slightly earlier. To be honest, while I hear a lot of talk here about enmity issues, the only times I've felt it is when I actually try to pull or pick up an add in DPS stance. And, I think it's generally more an issue with proper ability priming than stance. I'm still able to ride the opening enmity through basically the entire fight even as a PLD.

    As for what numbers our group is getting -- I'm pulling 1150~1200 on Faust and Hummel without potting. Our PLD is around 750~800. But, our PLD is also really not big on pushing his DPS and is relatively new to the min-maxing it requires. I have a feeling that if I were playing PLD, I could probably pull higher. I can't compare our parses in Savage since I don't do Savage on PLD but for Sephirot EX, he's usually a little over 700 DPS while I'm a shade under 900.

    So even while those number might seem higher than yours, I actually don't think we do it the best way for raid DPS. I should be pulling Hummel with Unchained while the PLD DPSes, but like I said earlier, our PLD is not really big on DPSing so I don't think he'd gain as much DPS as I would lose if we made that change. Also, we'd probably have some issues on the swap because he'd have to use RoH to hold enmity over me.
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    Last edited by Brian_; 03-13-2016 at 06:45 AM.

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    Sarcatica Lin
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    Tonberry
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfox View Post
    I'm curious what kind of numbers your PLD is doing by main tanking. We have the WAR pull Hummel with regular Unchained Berserk into Deliverance for hate lead, and swap mid way when CDs run low. Party also kills Faust on the WAR first, so I can pull in, and never drop, Sword Oath and avoid losing a GCD. I figured that was the best way to maintain high hate lead and lose as little GCDs as possible while maintaining max damage from both tanks. The last Faust kill, we had WAR around 896 and me PLD about 995, both of us being around i216 (sephi weapons).
    Did over 1k while MT-ing, my faust add is always killed first too. You can tank in sword oath at the start without having shadewalker and aggro ripped.
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    Sarcatica Lin
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeridaQ View Post
    Save beserk for Hummel have the other tank pick him up go nuts and then kill him! Usually tank swap about 30%
    But aren't you able to use 2 berserks in 2:30? Why not cram in more instead of saving?
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