Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Healers in dungeons 75% of the time =
Cast Regen; Regen; and Cure II then turn on Netflix; set Eos to passive; turn on regen and lay down some AST heals and buffs some times.

Go on forums complaining about people asking them to DPS:


I really some times wonder what they are actually doing. LOL!

[Kosmos992k]

I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

I'm trying to get at the point that claiming you don't have to heal in dungeons is BS...

But, hey, whatever. Whether or not you mean to, I see arguments like the one you are pushing as eroding or diminishing the role of healer.

Taking a discussion about whether healer dps in dungeons is the new norm and instead questioning whether healing is needed at all is ridiculous IMHO. If that's your attitude to healing, maybe you should ask yourself why you even list Conjurer as your main class?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I'm trying to get at the point that claiming you don't have to heal in dungeons is BS...

But, hey, whatever. Whether or not you mean to, I see arguments like the one you are pushing as eroding or diminishing the role of healer.

Taking a discussion about whether healer dps in dungeons is the new norm and instead questioning whether healing is needed at all is ridiculous IMHO. If that's your attitude to healing, maybe you should ask yourself why you even list Conjurer as your main class?

Aero III/Aero II and Stone II+Holy are amazing for damage.

Holy is also a stun; so it reduces the damage the tank can take from trash.

For mass pulling; putting on Regens, then switching to Cleric Stance and casting Aero III, holy and Stone II adds a LOT of dps to the fight for little uptime and you can go back and cast your heals again.

Healer AOE dps is NOT to be underestimated.

[MomomiMomi]

I'm trying to get at the point that claiming you don't have to heal in dungeons is BS...

But, hey, whatever. Whether or not you mean to, I see arguments like the one you are pushing as eroding or diminishing the role of healer.

Taking a discussion about whether healer dps in dungeons is the new norm and instead questioning whether healing is needed at all is ridiculous IMHO. If that's your attitude to healing, maybe you should ask yourself why you even list Conjurer as your main class?

I'm not questioning, I'm asserting. And I never said "healing is not needed at all". I said extremely little healing is required.

I'm not diminishing the role of healer. I'm stating what healer is like in this game. If you want it to change, be my guest, argue that it should be changed. I'd even support that. But in the game's current state, very little healing is required in dungeons with the exception of excessively large pulls (which you are also against).

[Igziabeher]

Bad DPS ... don't get a free pass.

this is hardly true at all. i'd say probably 30% of total DPS players are playing optimally. Healer's main role is to heal, so if they're doing that, no one wants to be the guy ragging on the healer for "not DPSing" enough, when the DPSes themselves have *nothing* else to do. You can survive a fight without the healer DPS'ing, chances are you can't without the DPS DPSing. Not saying healers *shouldn't* deal damage, but really are probably a lot more important things you could be concerned about most of the time, especially in DF groups..

[Kaurie]

this is hardly true at all. i'd say probably 30% of total DPS players are playing optimally.

That is rather generous

[Jatoi]

A healer's DPS can account for say, 15% of the group's DPS if not more if you're playing the role well. But letting the tank fall that low is kind of risky.

Hell, I thought healer DPS has been the norm for a long time. I think the new content is allowing it to happen more.

[Kaurie]

A healer's DPS can account for say, 15% of the group's DPS if not more if you're playing the role well. But letting the tank fall that low is kind of risky.

Hell, I thought healer DPS has been the norm for a long time. I think the new content is allowing it to happen more.

Since the new patch hit, I am usually ~30%, (25-35 depending on the quality of the DPS I am paired with), in expert roulette.

[Kosmos992k]

I'm not questioning, I'm asserting. And I never said "healing is not needed at all". I said extremely little healing is required.

I'm not diminishing the role of healer. I'm stating what healer is like in this game. If you want it to change, be my guest, argue that it should be changed. I'd even support that. But in the game's current state, very little healing is required in dungeons with the exception of excessively large pulls (which you are also against).

I'm not against large pulls as long as a) everyone is geared, and b) everyone agrees to that method.

I'd definitely argue that there is change needed both to reinforce the role of healer, and fix the situation that requires Tanks and DPS to be doing something all the time, but allows the healer to pick their lottery numbers between heals.

[AngelicSence]

I really some times wonder what they are actually doing. LOL!

When I play with healers who don't DPS, this is what they do: Just wait for any small damage and cast heal immediately. I don't really want to assume that they watch Netflix. I think big problem with those majority of healers are that they can't play aggresively (fast on and off stance dance). When they pick healer role, they have only 1 thing in mind and it's to heal. We have to give those guys are credit for doing their job. But like so many players already pointed out. Healer = not only heal. First of all, this is a FF game series and healers are tent to be offensive in many games. So ultimate goal for any tanker, DPSer as well as healers would be to play their character to fullest. I feel very stupid that we have to answer everyone's question who say I get yelled here and forced there. Those people need to use their mind at some point.