Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[MomomiMomi]

Hmmmm...I don't think so. We're talking apples and oranges. I don't think you would have been able to persuade any player of FFXIV that heals were not needed in the dungeons of ARR when we first encountered them.

Scholar soloing a dungeon in level appropriate gear without a heal? Other than an exceptional player running a very low level dungeon, I don't think so at all.

Note that I said not casting a heal. You still have your fairy healing you. All you need to do is dps.

[Kosmos992k]

Note that I said not casting a heal. You still have your fairy healing you. All you need to do is dps.

I still stand by my comment. But to add to this, make it a pre-level 30 dungeon and take the soul stone off.

[LegendWait]

Healer training guy says you should try weaving an offensive spell when possible. So SE encourages healer dpsing

[MomomiMomi]

I still stand by my comment. But to add to this, make it a pre-level 30 dungeon and take the soul stone off.

You do know that people regularly do low level dungeons as SCH and never cast a heal, right? The /follow and watch Netflix thing isn't a joke, it's a reality. You don't need to heal in those dungeons. Fairy does it all for you.

Try it sometime.

[Kaurie]

You do know that people regularly do low level dungeons as SCH and never cast a heal, right? The /follow and watch Netflix thing isn't a joke, it's a reality. You don't need to heal in those dungeons. Fairy does it all for you.

Try it sometime.

This is also true in the current expert dungeons.

[SaitoHikari]

I would like to say to my fellow healers that if we really do not want to take the effort to utilize everything in our arsenal to make things easier on everyone else, especially if everyone else is doing everything in their power to make things easier for us in turn, we really don't have much ground to stand on if the others for some reason decide not to utilize everything in their arsenal for us.

(As in, healers that only heal and then stand around for like 6+ seconds doing nothing else really shouldn't be complaining about ice-only mages, tanks not using cooldowns, and so on.)

Of course there are situations where you can't do anything but heal (like in Sephirot and A5-8), but that's obviously because it'd be too risky to attack. But going on a roulette as a healer where I try to do everything possible within reason, and then switching to DPS for my next roulette to see a healer sort of standing there or jumping around while only casting something once every 10 seconds or so makes me want to chuck my monitor out the window. Bad DPS and tanks don't get a free pass. Why are healers expected to be any different, especially with how easy it is to keep the tank alive with a simple regen in the new dungeons? If anything, this is the perfect time to learn how to stance dance.

[Kaurie]

Of course there are situations where you can't do anything but heal (like in Sephirot and A5-8), but that's obviously because it'd be too risky to attack..

It's actually fairly simple to DPS in all of those (assuming you mean 5-8 normal? I haven't been in savage to comment). In A5, I spend nearly 90% of the time in Cleric Stance. In A6 it's probably more like 95%. In A7 more around 50%. In A8 around 75%. In Seph Ex, around 50%.

[Lyshell]

Is healer DPSing the norm? Big fat NOPE. It is a luxury that really depends on the healer. Both in the healers skill to stance dance and the ability of the group itself to dodge avoidable damage. While a healer I think should strive to do some dmg here and there whenever possible, especially if there's nothing to do, it should NEVER be expected or relied on. This is all outside of a static and raid setting because obviously the rules change there. In general though it is not required and shouldn't be expected and definitely not the norm.



I do feel though the new dungeons are very lax and have plenty of opportunity to DPS. The first time I ran antitower I didn't dps because I kept expecting mobs to drop out of nowhere (I'm very cautious when I do something new) and then I found myself doing nothing for a long time because I kept expecting the other shoe to drop. By the end I was like okay I guess I know I can dps without problems here. It's a very different dungeon.

[Kosmos992k]

You do know that people regularly do low level dungeons as SCH and never cast a heal, right? The /follow and watch Netflix thing isn't a joke, it's a reality. You don't need to heal in those dungeons. Fairy does it all for you.

Try it sometime.

No, really? So in fact you are not running with little to no healing, you brought the AI healer with you. Your point was that in general for dungeons little to no healing was required. Sure you could delegate the healing to Eos, but since Eos is functionally part of your healing potential as a healer, you are still indirectly healing the party. So actually the dungeon requires healing.

You can say "Note that I said not casting a heal.", but then you can't say that about a dungeon run with a Conjurer, White Mage or Astrologian in the healer role because they do not have a AI healer pet to take over their duties for them. Nor can you say it if your Scholar is trying to run the dungeon without using it's pet.

[MomomiMomi]

No, really? So in fact you are not running with little to no healing, you brought the AI healer with you. Your point was that in general for dungeons little to no healing was required. Sure you could delegate the healing to Eos, but since Eos is functionally part of your healing potential as a healer, you are still indirectly healing the party. So actually the dungeon requires healing.

You can say "Note that I said not casting a heal.", but then you can't say that about a dungeon run with a Conjurer, White Mage or Astrologian in the healer role because they do not have a AI healer pet to take over their duties for them. Nor can you say it if your Scholar is trying to run the dungeon without using it's pet.

I have no idea what you're trying to get at. If Eos is doing all the healing, what are you going to do? Stand there? Dance? Watch Netflix? The logical thing to do is dps. This has nothing to do with player skill. It's the only useful thing that the SCH can do in this situation.

The fact that the fairy can deal with all the healing by itself shows just how little healing is required. A CNJ only needs to cast a Cure every 10-20 seconds. What are they going to do the rest of the time?