Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[sorahu]

healing to me seems like it becoming a more difficult class to play if they have to heal, dps, watch for mechanics and raise dps to keep doing there main jobs= dps

[LunarEmerald]

healing to me seems like it becoming a more difficult class to play if they have to heal, dps, watch for mechanics and raise dps to keep doing there main jobs= dps

It depends on how good everybody else is. If everybody is awful, low dps and constantly get hit then being a healer sucks. If they do good dps and always avoid avoidable damage then healing is incredibly easy.

[Kaurie]

A few points.

Healer DPSing became the norm a long time ago (prior to Heavensward it was extremely common, and became even more common post Heavensward). I personally started DPSing as a healer around level 20 or so back in like 2013 or 2014 (i forget precisely).

The new dungeons are ridiculously easy. You can run both new expert dungeons in Cleric Stance 98% of the time, I literally let Eos/Selene take care of all the heals and merely pop off cleric stance to adlo between pulls. So for every pull, I'll be out of cleric stance for one GCD or 2.4 seconds. I haven't counted the pulls, but I think there is roughly 3-4 between each boss, so we'll say a total of 14 pulls + 3 bosses = 17 occurrences where I will use 1 GCD to adlo the tank. That's 17x 2.4s or 41 seconds out of a ~24 minute run. Generally speaking, the tank never dips below 40% hp but even that is rare.

I am not entirely sure if you are complaining about the healer DPSing. In the story you mentioned, would you advocate the tank not be using cooldowns more effectively? I fail to see the problem with preventing more incoming damage and increasing more outgoing damage.

So finally here is the title question. Is it the new normal for healers to dps not only in raids of 8 players but even in 4 player dungeon runs? Is the standard that if you don't dps as a healer would you be classified as not playing your job to the fullest?

No, it is not the new normal. Yes, if you don't DPS as a healer you are not playing your job to the fullest.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

Was the tank a pld? if so plds can self heal somewhat, if drk or war then I agree healers fault.

[Kaurie]

Was the tank a pld? if so plds can self heal somewhat, if drk or war then I agree healers fault.

What was the healers fault? I didn't see anything regarding a wipe or a death even. Just a bit of a jerk of a healer who can't communicate properly, a DPS who doesn't understand the current meta and a tank who can't mitigate damage properly.

[Ashkendor]

Was the tank a pld? if so plds can self heal somewhat, if drk or war then I agree healers fault.

dafuq did i just read here? WAR has the strongest self-healing kit even after the damage nerf.

@OP - Antitower in particular has a lot of very small mob pulls, so a healer being in cleric stance a lot is not going to be uncommon. To answer your question, no; healers dps'ing isn't becoming the norm. It's actually been the norm for a long time now. In my opinion, healers that don't DPS aren't playing their class to the fullest. What are you doing with that downtime if you aren't DPS'ing? Tanks don't need to be topped off 24/7. There's no need to start casting cure the moment the tank gets autoattacked. I use my cooldowns to mitigate damage and allow longer DPS windows for the healer. If the healer isn't DPS'ing, why am I bothering to even press those buttons? If you have time to dance, run in circles, spam macros, chat in a linkshell, or tab out to Youtube to look at cat vines, you have time to hop on over into cleric stance and put some hurt on to speed up the death of whatever we're fighting.

As a tank, I don't mind hitting 25-30% if the healer is using that time wisely. I'll even throw a Clemency for good measure. If I'm hitting 25-30% and they're just standing there staring off into space and drooling, then we definitely have a problem.

[Averax]

Its actually been a lot more difficult to dps as a healer ever since they killed our accuracy in the newer content.

[Ghishlain]

All players should be trying to play to their fullest. For healers, this means providing additional DPS when the opportunities allow them to do so.

Of course some players may be more tactful about it, but no one should be complaining about added bonuses a player brings to their party unless it hampers their primary role in that party.

[Amiaze]

All players should be trying to play to their fullest. For healers, this means providing additional DPS when the opportunities allow them to do so.

I think this perfectly summarizes it. You won't always require healing. During that time, I think it's fine for a healer to DPS. I personally switch back once I see health fall to 50% (WAR) or around 70% (PLD/DRK), but until then, I'm DPSing like there's no tomorrow and using Luminiferous Aether and perhaps Ewer to regenerate my MP.

Although I do not think a healer should ever let a tank's health fall so dangerously low...I've done it on accident before, but never on purpose.

Well, except that one time when the tank got really mouthy and forgot who it was that was keeping him alive. But other than that, no, I never want to see my tank at death's door.

[DestroyerOfLargePlanets]

Although I do not think a healer should ever let a tank's health fall so dangerously low...I've done it on accident before, but never on purpose.

Well, except that one time when the tank got really mouthy and forgot who it was that was keeping him alive. But other than that, no, I never want to see my tank at death's door.

As a DRK main, I personally don't mind how low my hp gets -- so long as the healer is pumping out DPS like a boss. 3k? 1k hp? It doesn't matter so long as I'm alive. I pop CD's regularly so I know that if I die, it's on the healer lol. On the other hand, when I see a healer who is letting me get low and is parsing at ZERO, it makes me want to stomp on the healer.