Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Odett]

Be a good healer. Carry all those bad DPS. That way they'll never be expected to get better. ' I'm Keeping DPS job expectations low is everyone's responsibility!

Your argument that you constantly post in every one of these topics gets the same answer that you're still unable to rebut. Your argument only makes sense if there was a cap on group DPS. There is none, and the game blatantly shows you that unless your tank has the consistency of tracing paper in Stone Vigil, you're not meant to be full-time healing, If you just stand there without doing anything or insist that overhealing is the answer, that's fine for you, but insisting that (not personally talking to you this is more of a general statement) "I'm not gonna DPS because I'm green icon and green icon is not red icon hurr durr" and having such a narrow mindset while ignoring roughly half of your toolkit makes you a good healer, and not just a normal or mediocre one, you're wrong. You're not a good healer if that's how you view your role in a game that wasn't designed for you to be healing full-time.

[Fourbestintoner]

The norm is actually tabbing out and letting the tank die because you were not paying attention, but I wish it were dpsing. Unless you're doing something with crazy tank busters you can let tanks drop to 30% before healing, when healing trials if my co healer is not dpsing, I'm not healing, unless it's clear he's too incompetent to do it alone.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Please. I don't ever take the official forums into account because it's place full of crazy, and constantly the butt of every joke. It's gotten to the point that being an "OF poster" is considered an insult in my FC. Anyway, here's an experiment that you can try at home. Go to literally any other xiv hub. Reddit, bluegartr forums, guildwork, anywhere where semi serious discussion takes place. Present your argument there and get back to me.

"I wouldnt say "bad" as much as not optimized. Technically a healers job is to heal, so as long as they are doing that, they are playing their job at a basic level. Fights arent tuned to require a healer to dps them.

That said, I dont know how a healer can have fun if they only heal. I get bored super quick if I cant dps during downtime lol."

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"As has been stated time and time again, a good healer keeps everyone alive, but a GREAT healer knows when they can add some damage to the fight.

Bad experiences put a bad taste in people's mouths and they start to stick to a "DO YOUR ROLE ONLY" mentality to "reduce" these experiences. Makes me sad "

Taken directly from https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...uld_never_dps/

It's basically what I said on one of the early pages on this thread.

Healer accuracy was also nerfed apparently so I would say you are fine just healing. Always remember healer dps is appreciated and nice to have but for all content outside of savage raids it is never required. If you aren't comfortable with dpsing and being able to keep everyone alive at the same time then just stick to healing.

Healer dps is awesome to have but ultimately not needed or required. Dps only if you are confident in your ability to keep everyone alive as well. Really what's so hard about this. The reason threads like this decend into futile two sided arguments is because of the people who say any healer who does not dps is bad period.

Way to make that rift grow guys. Elitist is really becoming my favorite word.

[Andrea]

a good healer keeps everyone alive

No, thats what we call doing the bare minimum. Which does not make someone good.

[Mycow8me]

Tank dps is nice but ultimately not required then. That explains the nerf and healer rage. Guess spamming flash and hate grabs is all i need to do. Thank you for the explanations, i finally understand my role as tank.

[Kurogaea]

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No, its not becoming a norm, but another elitest complaint. If your not dpsing after 2 heals apparently your crippling the team and thats not the case. A good number of my friends who've been playing since beta tried healer classes and dps when necessary (burn phases, extra mana or non threatening enemies). If you want to avoid being criticized about your dps while healing, the first sign is when the other healer asks you to dps on your own or he doesn't help you heal during the first part of the fight. So when the tank dies and you see that other healer in cleric stance, you know it wasn't your fault or the tanks, because everyone know what your job role is, its to heal. Yes you have these skills in your skill set to begin with, but these are mostly for overworld encounters, and dps should be able to take care of themselves since its their main focus. If you ask me, dps are trying to find a scape-goat for their high stress moments in fights now (dps checks). Just heal the way you want to, your role comes first and no one can make you say otherwise.

Healing, isn't a tiny job. Time to rest isn't always given for healers. So unless you know exactly moments in a fight to dps then your optimal for that kind of play, though it doesn't make you bad no matter what someone else says. If you can keep the party alive, that makes you a good healer. If the dps can't get past a dps check on their own, that makes them a bad dps (or at least un-equipped for the fight atm). They're called dps for a reason yet people push the blame elsewhere. If a tank can't keep mobs from killing you then that makes them bad tanks (unless your standing in the way or its an un-agroable target). Well thats my thoughts on it anyway.

[Odett]

It's some posters on this thread that really show a huge problem with this game's community and the constant desire to coddle other players. If you're not comfortable Cleric Dancing for whatever reason, that's fine. You have time to practice and get better at your job. It's another thing altogether to state that it's completely fine to perform your absolute bare minimum and say "eff you" to whoever asks if you can get some practice at using your entire toolkit, and this goes for tanks, healers, and DPS. If the game only provided you with DPS moves as a healer for solo fights and not for dungeons, they'd go to the extremes that they did with PvP and completely block out cleric stance. There's a reason why half your skills aren't blocked out when you enter a dungeon..

It's ok if you don't feel comfortable DPSing sometimes, but to encourage others to do their absolute minimum, that is something I will never be able to stand behind. If you want to be lazy, go ahead, but don't expect to act as an authority of the game telling others that it's completely OK to play subpar, not try, and not expect any kid of backlash.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I just wanna do something else.

If I see a healer just not doing anything with 100% mana and i'm barely taking damage I usually just watch a movie and spam aoes and take off my damage too to make the run as long as possible.

I mean might as well play along yea?

[Whiteroom]

There is almost no healing to be done in the current dungeons. To sit there and hit cure once every ten seconds would be such a bore. I guess some poeple have really, really low expectations on themselves. Without healer dps dungeons would be that much longer of cure... may as well just make this macro and then go to sleep:
Cure
Wait 10
Cure
Wait 10
Cure
Wait 10
Cure
Wait 10
Cure
Wait 10
Vpose

[AngelicSence]

If you say so my friend... never had any issues.

I don't want to be rude, but I think you knew the answer from the begging. It's not a matter of right or wrong. It's about understanding what you can do as a healer. In many MMO games, healer class can use offensive abilities. FFXIV is not an exception. White mages are known for their powerful Holy spell, and we have a new spell called Assize. It's all there by the design. Chances of you having issues are slim.. as long as you keep members alive, players not going to do anything. But remember, you have an opportunity to do so much more and essentially become better player. If you see it as a problem, then it's wrong.