Bahamut and Eikons

[Kaiser-Ace]

In Odin's FATE, he often refures to himself as "A God Umungst men, and a Man Umungst Gods" which suggests to me that, one, Odon was at some point aware of his conversion into a Primal (Zantetsuken is the Eikon from what I've gathered) and that it was a Gradual prossess rather than immediate. Hell he could have been a WoL like us that "Encroached upon the relm of the gods" and that was the end result of him transcending mortality.

I'm willing to bet that Primals are concepts given form, Elder Primals are lost/forgotten concepts given form (allowing for Belius and Bahamut to fit this term), and Eikons were physical items.beings that acended to Godhood by an as yet unknown mean. (Zantetsuken, Odin, and Sephirot fit this criteria)

[Powe]

Wait I don't get something, Primals get stronger based on how much crystals aether they consumed right? So shouldn't they get on the same levels as the eikons if they consume the right amount of crystals? Also this probably been theorized by someone here but what's the difference between Primals and eikons? The first time I thought of Primals I would think of a beast thing representing the clans main ideal or better yet what a tribe thinks as a whole. The primal represents their ideals of what a god is to them, isn't that the same as the triad just more crazy and older?

[Frederick22]

Wait I don't get something, Primals get stronger based on how much crystals aether they consumed right? So shouldn't they get on the same levels as the eikons if they consume the right amount of crystals? Also this probably been theorized by someone here but what's the difference between Primals and eikons? The first time I thought of Primals I would think of a beast thing representing the clans main ideal or better yet what a tribe thinks as a whole. The primal represents their ideals of what a god is to them, isn't that the same as the triad just more crazy and older?

They need crystals beacuse of its aether. On the 3rd astral era there was much more aether than now.

[Powe]

They need crystals beacuse of its aether. On the 3rd astral era there was much more aether than now.

Yea I understand the crystal, but there was more in 3rd astral era!?!

[Frederick22]

Yea I understand the crystal, but there was more in 3rd astral era!?!

Yes, the concentrations where higher.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Yea I understand the crystal, but there was more in 3rd astral era!?!

The Aether it's self was purer and more potent I'm the third Astral Era.

Summoning something like Ifrit might not have even needed Crystals then where as Eikons may have needed an extra boost from followers. Now, summoning a True Eikon like Sephirot is all but impossible with our machines feeding it artificial Aether. And normal Primals now take Crystals and prayer just to summon due to the mass power difference between Hydaelyn now and Hydaelyn 8000 years ago.

This could even possibly explain The Twelve if they were god like Aether based beings that pre dated the First Umbral Era. Because it would have been wothwrt before Hydaelyn started weakening or even before she expellwd Zodiark.

[Powe]

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O.O wait then doesn't that mean while the 12 are good their just being here is either killing hydalyn/ keeping power that could actually give her a reprival from losing power?

[Frederick22]

O.O wait then doesn't that mean while the 12 are good their just being here is either killing hydalyn/ keeping power that could actually give her a reprival from losing power?

After everything we have learned, the point is that we know dont.

The 12 could have being primals, actual people, just myth or all combined.
A primal's personality is based on what the prayers want. If you want to created a benevolent primal, that respect and see hydaelyn as her superior, then thats what you will get but he would still need aether as a fuel.

[Kaiser-Ace]

O.O wait then doesn't that mean while the 12 are good their just being here is either killing hydalyn/ keeping power that could actually give her a reprival from losing power?

Gaius van Belsar said it himself. If we "Summon The Twelve" they will simply be Eikons/Primals made in our percieved immagen of them. A for the low low price of all the Aether they can consume. All of it if possible.

What ever the Twelve were based on, be it Fragments of Hydaelyn, The First Warriors of Light, or even actual Divine Gods, any attempt to call them via summoning will only call for an Aetheric leech that vaugly resembles how we perceive them with a personality to match.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Speaking of "draining the aether is bad, m'kay" didn't Midgardsormr say he was going to exactly that to regenerate his body? I really do wonder how accurate this stuff about the threat of primals are when the game has a "tell, don't show" policy concerning aether draining. We still don't even see any visible environmental damage in Dravanian Hinterlands even though Alexander turned on twice now.

Times like this I wonder if we'll pull back the curtain, and realize every wrong is right.