MRD is now broken just as ARC in previous patch. =_=

[Xatsh]

the best tank depends on the situation.

With MRD the dds can go all out without risk of pulling hate, and they can do it fairly early.

With Gld the dmg mitigation is higher, but the hate generation is much much lower and you lose almost all dmg output.

Gld best for long drawnout fights with mobs 1 on 1.
Mrd best for quick fights and multiple mobs.

With ifrit, Mrd deals around 15-16% of the total dmg in a mrd, lncx4 setup. So going mrd actually helps kill ifrit. Glad will probably do around 4-7% of the total dmg and it will drag the fight out longer.

In the end both jobs can tank anything really, 1 kill the mob faster, 1 kills the mob safer. Personally I prefer mrd on ifrit for the dmg. With that fight tanking is not the hardpart it is fighting the server lag issues and the melee not dying to eruptions. So the longer that fight is drawn out the higher chance of failing. So I say unless you are not getting any lag (you actually avoid plums and eruption when you get off it on "your" screen) Mrd is a better tank choice simply beause everyone can go all out and kill it before it kills you.

Dmg wise lncers outdmg everything atm... if they are not the lnc is doing something wrong. Lnc should outparse a mrd by a good 20% dmg in total.

[Betelgeuzah]

The thing is that game should decide to favor all classes equally.

Every patch since 1.18 up until 1.21 will overhaul some aspect of combat. Trying to create perfect equality for every patch individually would be such a waste of dev time. There will only be a little over a month until everything will change once again. THen it will happen once more in 1.21.

It's good enough for what we are going through.

[Madruk]

The lancers in that Ifrit fight are horrible.

That is all.

[carraway]

Terrible points of comparison, terrible players, terrible conclusions.

[Rentahamster]

From the 1v1 Dps, I saw it from data of parsar that my MRD friend showed me in Ifrit fight:
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No offense, but those lancers are horrible. They should be doing much muuuuch more damage than that.

[Dragon]

Since when was eyeballing damage an acceptable measurement for DPS? If it isn't a parse log, it ain't worth it.

[ShinMetsu]

I agree with the most recent posts, looks like you just had really terrible LNCs paired with a top notch MRD..
I've never seen MRD outdmg our LNCs, tho...

Hey, it might actually be fun trying to outdmg our LNCs as MRD...
Up until now i've pretty much always come out at top of the Parse,
so if MRD really > LNC, i should still outdmg them, right?
Gonna try that tomorrow, and post results here. :P

Now, if i just could get BG's parser to work... seems so bugged to me! ><


Back ontopic, I'd also say MRD is overpowered tho.
They got so many benefits atm, like tank-option, AoE pwnage, decent SingleTarget dmg.
Just seems too much to me.

[Vackashken]

Well I for one agree with you and applaud your effort. I have all DD classes mentioned at 50 and was shocked by how much mrd has excelled. Albeit it more data is needed your effort is appreciated.

[DGMart]

First of all, in general idea that most people would find it balance :

In term attack :
PGL as 1 v 1 focus on highest Dps.
MRD as in focus on highest Dps to AoE.
LNC ,with many AoE and single skills, should be ranked in second as in 1v1 and AoE in Dps.

In term of defend :
PGL focus on evasion.
MRD focus on HP and def.
LNC focus on his distant attack and WS drain ability. ( you notice big use of this distant in Ifrit fight)

However, what is MRD really become now is...

-Better choice as tank than GLA. (notice all advance team in Ifrit fight use MRD as tank? also this happened in Orge fight back on 1.18 too.)
-Strongest AoE DPs.
-Strongest 1v1 Dps. !! (This is what surprised me, but it is still debatable as second best! )

From the 1v1 Dps, I saw it from data of parsar that my MRD friend showed me in Ifrit fight:

From this, it is noticeable jump in total damage. from LNC to MRD. which is not acceptable when MRD has much higher HP and chance to survive in the fight. It is debatable that the players who play LNC isn't good enough. However, you know this is a big jump in data, and MRD has malm that help everybody in PT to do more damage too. (this doesn't shown in parsar, because it boost everyone)


In Stronghold :
- MRD is most favor class because of its known best AoE attack, and that some NM boss key farming PT will form the team with fewest people and selection choice as MRD.

In Ifrit :
- MRD is the better choice than GLA for advance team tanking, and he is also insert into DD team too, while PGL on the another hand, is not favor at all in this fight.

Conclusion :
- patch 1.19 = the Patch of MRD.

Few things. If a Mrd is out dpsing you as a tank, he is either 1. More skilled than you. 2. Constantly on ifrit so he never has to run. 3. Better geared than you. 4. If he hits both the spike and ifrit. 5. All the above.

I know this from experience, we choose Mrd as a tank because they are optimized for this fight. They really need to fix gladiator. Currently it is a horrible class. A Mrd tank should never beat your dps ever if they are all on the same level in skill and gear. Our Mrd is always right after the Dps on the parser if none of them die or do anything stupid.

So in closing it's situational but from doing over 60 runs I can personally tell you that once your team is fluid your Mrd will never be on top if he is wearing tanking gear.

Also if you want to do some serious damage your dps should use throwing weapons.. Easy and cheap to make. It's about 500ish tp per hit with a 5 sec recast. So all that time when your cooldowns are not up.. You should be spamming those with auto attack when it's safe to. I would give it a try because it works.

[Isaaru]

LOL those LNC in the OP's parse suck.

If anyone is doing 15k damage in the Ifrit fight someones doing something wrong. (in this case a couple of people)