So how about them new dungeons? (Layout and difficulty)

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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The main issue here is time spent in the dungeons and how quickly the novelty wears off. Make trash mobs have more gimmicks and people will complain that the runs will drag out. Having things like randomized mazes or forced puzzles will also garner similar results. Why? Because the only reason people want to run dungeons is either EXP or tomestones and forcing the player to slow down with random gimmicks that could vary how much time they spend inside will create friction between those that just want the nth run over with and those that want to see everything (sorta like what happened with the Castrum runs, eh?)

Now don't assume that I DON'T want more designed dungeons. I do want something like the single player Final Fantasy dungeons, but seeing the nature of this game and the players, I don't expect anything more and neither should anyone else. In fact, it seems the gimmicky fights/trials are being used in the MSQ, which I did happen to enjoy. With dungeons and trials that you have to run over and over for drops or tomes, things are going to be streamlined for the sake of making it simple to do when you need to obtain something.

[Kurogaea]

The main issue here is time spent in the dungeons and how quickly the novelty wears off. Make trash mobs have more gimmicks and people will complain that the runs will drag out. Having things like randomized mazes or forced puzzles will also garner similar results. Why? Because the only reason people want to run dungeons is either EXP or tomestones and forcing the player to slow down with random gimmicks that could vary how much time they spend inside will create friction between those that just want the nth run over with and those that want to see everything (sorta like what happened with the Castrum runs, eh?)

Now don't assume that I DON'T want more designed dungeons. I do want something like the single player Final Fantasy dungeons, but seeing the nature of this game and the players, I don't expect anything more and neither should anyone else. In fact, it seems the gimmicky fights/trials are being used in the MSQ, which I did happen to enjoy. With dungeons and trials that you have to run over and over for drops or tomes, things are going to be streamlined for the sake of making it simple to do when you need to obtain something.

3. The dungeons are made for clearing quickly like for relic quests and constant replays, complex dungeons would only make that more difficult.

Well yeah it would, because the game would then be adding something great to some god awful system like tomes, though it could be fixed obviously. Increase the tomes achieved by a greater number than normal dungeons. As for roulletes and special quests like relic, just have them on a different topic of their own. They get their own roulettes, own special quests and the ones crunching for time everyday can just run the smaller dungeons.

Players wanting things simplified is related to this pretty much. These larger dungeons should have special additional quests (Not side quests like diadem, actually outside quests you accept and enter the dungeon after) as well as greater tome and exp rewards to balance the time and effort spent in them. Background items and scenery should play better roles in these dungeons, involving item seeking, hidden creatures, traps and plenty other stuff that would scream diversity. At least one dungeon (if not all) should be like this every patch, so those who want to ride the same straight line roller coaster then they can do just that and others can enjoy something more engaging.