Horrible drop rate for primal falcons

[CUTS3R]

git gud requires a measure of coordination Duty Finder often lacks.

Why don't you just PF it ?
When i was farming my Ravana mount i've been hosting my own PF for 3 days straight as WHM ( 1 Tank, 1 heal, 6 DPS ) and unless someone screw up or has bad DPS, Ravana dies before he finishes casting Swift liberation.
I don't even know why you prefer to go through the DF nonsense.

Im now Farming Bismarck with the standard 1heal 2 Tank 5 DPS and he generally dies the second time we go on his back. ( Can some times be on the first time if the DPS is very good ). People still screw up in the water phase and get hit by the debuff or fall off during wind phase, even to this day, so there is no absolute way i would ever DF it.

[Tanathya]

I was just curious if everyone was having as bad luck as I am with the new bird whistles. Back in the day, you could only estimate the drop rates, as tokens/fragments did not exist.

However, now that we have primal tokens dropping with every win, we have a very real way to calculate how many you have done.

Personally, since the patch, I have done 33 Bismarck EX and 70 Ravana EX and seen 2 whistles (both from Bismarck). IMO, it's pretty ridiculous to have beat these fights 103 times to see 2 whistles.

Did you really expect any different? How naive. They want you to keep mindlessly grinding the same content over and over and over again, just like they've been doing since 2.0.

[Unittj]

Well, since you were fortunate enough to actually win the roll, and thus placated, I would be inclined to say "no."

LOL. ^This so much. The only ones telling us to stop "whining" are the ones that have the bird.

[Welsper59]

I'd be down for 100 tokens as well, but then you'll run into opposition from those who feel that's too easy and want to keep the mount rare.

This game is so damn casual in every other aspect, IMO there is no reason to not allow some sort of a token system to obtain the bird.

It's likely because it'd be an easily predictable system that pretty much removes all sense of that rarity. I mean, think about it. If you knew a token system was in place for rare items like the mount, why wouldn't you have run these raids even more before? It's safe to assume that, going forward, mounts will be added to each primal at some point. While 100 of a given primal is a lot, it's still a quantifiable goal to reach that, realistically, anyone that cleared them can do the prep work for over the months before the mounts are even released.

I honestly think people just need to be patient, because it's almost a guarantee that the drop rate will be nerfed to similar rates as current ARR primals. Let some degree of rarity, even if temporary, exist in the game.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Did you really expect any different? How naive. They want you to keep mindlessly grinding the same content over and over and over again, just like they've been doing since 2.0.

I guess I did. Much in the same way that I am under the impression that I can create a thread once in a while without getting condescending responses. But, I guess I'm asking way too much on all accounts.

Thanks for your lovely contribution to the thread.

[Chasely]

It's likely because it'd be an easily predictable system that pretty much removes all sense of that rarity. I mean, think about it. If you knew a token system was in place for rare items like the mount, why wouldn't you have run these raids even more before? It's safe to assume that, going forward, mounts will be added to each primal at some point. While 100 of a given primal is a lot, it's still a quantifiable goal to reach that, realistically, anyone that cleared them can do the prep work for over the months before the mounts are even released.

I honestly think people just need to be patient, because it's almost a guarantee that the drop rate will be nerfed to similar rates as current ARR primals. Let some degree of rarity, even if temporary, exist in the game.

Then, all SE has to do is not start the point tally until after the mounts are added.

[Kuwagami]

LOL. ^This so much. The only ones telling us to stop "whining" are the ones that have the bird.

6 hours a day for a week farming. Not saying I deserved it, but I just was soo happy to get it I went for 40 more kills with my team to help them with 1 less guy to worry about for rolls. To no avail, unfortunately

[Welsper59]

Then, all SE has to do is not start the point tally until after the mounts are added.

That would mean they have to create a new currency just for something like the mounts... it's kind of pointless. Remember that the main reason for the tokens now is for the guarantee of progression-related gear (of its time). Vanity, generally, doesn't need such types of guarantees in the face of RNG. An achievement reward might be workable instead, though.

Also, while it wasn't said on your half for this (I just want to clarify something I didn't), consider taking it a step further. Why are people okay with the max of 100? It's because it's an easily reachable goal. This is counterproductive to the original point of setting a low RNG rate, which realistically, IS NOT an easily reachable goal. The guaranteed give must be on-par (or worse) to be within an equal standing of the intent. That number should be not one that nearly everyone would be "okay" with, but rather a number that no one ever wants to reach or can't even see themselves hitting. Let's say... 999 clears/tokens. I'd venture that practically no one can even fathom hitting that number for a single primal fight, but likewise, not many would want deal with the unpredictable RNG and low drop rate.

Again, it's counterproductive to the intent if one is "okay" compared to the drastically more severe original source. It'd be like if in ARR, you could bypass every stage of relic and go straight for the end by simply doing 200 FATEs or dungeons. You don't undermine one source of grind by adding something much easier if the intent is to not have everyone realistically obtain something in a short span of time.

[Chasely]

It's not difficult right now, though. Some people are getting that mount on their first attempt. requiring 100 tokens would man you'd have to do the event 100 times. that means everyone is doing the event 100 times for the mount, as opposed to someone doing the event 1 time for the mount and another person doing it 199.

Also, perhaps tokens can be used to get the wapons or armors as well? A weapon drops every single time, but it's not necessarily the one you want. So for 25 tokens you can buy any of the weapons for that primal. Then, people who craft can use the tokens for primal crafts, people who do vanity can use the tokens for vanity pieces. This would also extend the content's lifespan.

[Welsper59]

It's not difficult right now, though. Some people are getting that mount on their first attempt. requiring 100 tokens would man you'd have to do the event 100 times. that means everyone is doing the event 100 times for the mount, as opposed to someone doing the event 1 time for the mount and another person doing it 199.

In regards to RNG though, a 1% or so drop rate isn't exactly something you'd ever expect, unless you're completely new to how RNG works. You could be on your 10,000th attempt and you'd still be faced against that 1% drop rate, just as you were every attempt before. Probability is only a potential, not a guarantee, and that is where people are fearful of RNG. While one person lucks out on that 1/1 attempts, which includes not just the drop but winning the roll (a double win against lady luck), that means there are countless others who are not so lucky.

When facing that reality, 100 clears for a guarantee? That's the same degree of difficulty (time) as going from lv1 to 10. Not everyone is going to make it there, but practically everyone can realistically do it. As I said in that previous post, it's about the intent. You don't put something with such a low chance to drop there so that everyone can get it in a short period of time. Remember too that you have to look at it as more than just one person when you're dealing with quantified requirements to get something. Imagine a static doing this. 8 people... that's 8 mounts for one static to be introduced simultaneously on just one server. Now throw in all the solo queues, PF groups, and other statics, then that 8 goes up WAY more relatively in the same span of time. People are apparently already in the hundreds for their clears, and we're not very far in for 3.2.

Also, perhaps tokens can be used to get the wapons or armors as well? A weapon drops every single time, but it's not necessarily the one you want. So for 25 tokens you can buy any of the weapons for that primal. Then, people who craft can use the tokens for primal crafts, people who do vanity can use the tokens for vanity pieces. This would also extend the content's lifespan.

What I meant by the tokens and weapons mention is that they were introduced right off the bat in HW for an intended progression related purpose, while the mounts were added later. While it does seem like from here on, due to Sephirot mount, they'll add in the mounts right away, it still stands that they don't want a lot of people to get it in even the most remote sense of "soon". I'm not saying having the guaranteed approach is bad, but I am saying it has to be in relation to the intentional rarity of it. As I stated, 100 is nothing in the face of the reality of the overall populous' attempts and how many have it now.