Okay we're a year into HW, where's storage diversity?

[Suirieko]

You do have tons of gil. You sold everything, remember? You're buying it back with the gil you got from it.

Yeah.. except there's a few.. problems.

A) The market board doesnt' always sell fast. If I want to sell fast, I have to sell them at the lowest price, and constantly check so that I don't get undercut... which I really don't have time to do so.. which leads to B, assuming I've sold all the materials.

B) Then I could jsut buy what I need, except SE in their infinite wisdom declared that we can only buy the amount that the players have put up, no more, no less. So if I want to buy, say.. maybe 2 or 3, then I have to buy them at a "premium cost" instead of 99. Of course I could just sell the rest, which.. goes back to A.

No, if you want it to be easy, efficient, and time saving, you buy the mats as you need them.

No, if I want to be easy, efficient, and time saving, I would go directly to my retainer, and tech the materials I need. That way I can have...

Easy access to my materials because it's all right there, held by my retainers. Time saving achieved!


I got the materials I need in a very fast manner, without having to spend gil. Efficient method achieved!

And I managed to not have to worry about checking my retainer every 5 minutes, just in case someone decided to undercut my price, thus making my life much easier Easy method achieved!


But hey, I'm always organizing my inventory, and at least having space. Thankfully I don't NEED HQ pre-HW items, so I usually reduce quality to save space.

Ever heard of Grand Company Quartermaster?

GREAT POINT, except here's a big problem. That's implying that the ONLY use for GC Seals would be for those materials (Coke, Potash, etc). However, there's not. I use my GC seals a lot for ventures, as well as cordials. Since I mine ephemeral nodes a lot, and in order to keep my GP up fast, I use a LOT of cordials.

Also, I use my retainers to restock materials I need (like Aurum Regis sands, etc), which also can drain the ventures. (After all, I like having instance access to my materials without having to use my gil.) Those adds up quickly, so I prefer not to use my GC Seals on those materials for the sake of efficiency.

Regarding Dawnborne Aethersands:

Since when do they sell those in stacks?

Since when the price of those are ever stable. Why would I put up dawnborne aethersands for 40K (just to sell quickly), and only to risk having to buy them for 60K (and therefore losing 20K in profit).

The point is, with a lot of factors, demands and supplies change all the time, thus relying on "market board" for stock and efficiency is horribly gil intensive and complicated bollocks that I'd rather not go into.

Because I never said the inventory system wasn't bad in this thread. I'm merely saying it's entirely possible to live with it by changing how you manage your inventory. Items = gil. Gil = items. Turn your inventory into gil and you won't have to struggle with inventory.

Except it's completely wasteful on the gil, and the items may not always be available. Someone might buy out all the item and.. oh, well shit, you're screwed. Case in point: the marketboard in Lamia was completely devoid of every Blue Cloud Coral, which is a material used in an Alchemy Dissolvents.

Everyone can do it. They just don't want to. My entire argument is that people are doing it to themselves.

Yes, everyone can do it, but everyone in their right mind would rather have fast access to their most used materials without having to risk their gil. sure, I may have multi-million gil, but I still aint gonna be crazy about my gil just for the sake of inventory space.

I still have plenty of inventory space. we're just saying that SE could find some ways to be MORE efficient about inventory spaces.

Hey, I'm glad you're just so damn proud of yourself, and you're oh so amazing ways to manage your inventory space, but I for one, am glad that I have instant, on-demand access to my materials.

[ruskie]

as it could affect upkeep of those additional servers or other things that are a result of that profit.

a) they are not additional servers - they are existing servers that were moved from the existing data center to the EU one
b) they get our subscription money for the upkeep of servers and development of new content

We can only hope the cash shop stuff is used to fund more stuff in the game.

[Parasoth]

Everyone can do it. They just don't want to. My entire argument is that people are doing it to themselves.

You have 4 classes at cap, commenting to people who have everything at cap.

This is hilarious.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Inventory Problems ----> Solution.


-No real wardrobe. ----> There has to be a place for GEAR to be kept outside our armory chest, Armoire is absolutely useless.
-Items have TOO much data, and those items are being KEPT by everyone. ----> Gear has be converted into just "skins" without much data, and with that create a "skin database" for characters.
-Small stack limit ----> Needs to be increased from 99 to 250.
-Key Item Inventory absolutely useless ----> If i've had 5 key items at the same time it was a miracle, and there is 70 slots sitting there. In fact, key items don`t even have to use an "inventory space" in the first place, they are just code to activate triggers, not "real items".
-Too many tokens ----> Instead of being currency, we have too many tokens, alexander pieces, goblin pieces, beast tribe tokens... All of those could be currency... In fact im surprised Tomestones and Company seals are not using inventory space.
-SE is getting a lot of money out of extra retainers ----> No solution for that, inventory will never be fixed, this is it. At best, maybe they will give a new free-retainer as they rise the cap for extra ones.

[CGMidlander]

I also heard you liek tokens, so we add 10 more with every patch.

A good chunk of my storage space is occupied a token of some sort z_z
-Precision Gordian pieces
-Gordian books
-Midan books
-Unidentified tokens
-Beast tribe tokens
-Ventures
-Diadem spoils
-Blue & Red scrip tokens
-Primal drop tokens
-FATE tokens
-Mhach tokens
...etc.

[Warlyx]

A good chunk of my storage space is occupied a token of some sort z_z
-Precision Gordian pieces
-Gordian books
-Midan books
-Unidentified tokens
-Beast tribe tokens
-Ventures
-Diadem spoils
-Blue & Red scrip tokens
-Primal drop tokens
-FATE tokens
-Mhach tokens
...etc.

and i wonder why ? , SE could use the currency tab for half of those , even add tabs for crafting, 24 raid drops ... make the items u get in raid usable and add +1 to the currency tab.

examples:



FFXI ¬¬



Gw2

[Millerna]

a) they are not additional servers - they are existing servers that were moved from the existing data center to the EU one
b) they get our subscription money for the upkeep of servers and development of new content

We can only hope the cash shop stuff is used to fund more stuff in the game.

Not quite, the EU datacenter is new hardware, that's why the move was relatively fast.




As for the glamour log, I don't think that's really a server issue (even if Yoshi says it is), but more a problem that it's hard to come up with a UI that's usable on the PS3. They have very limited resources for the PS3 UI, as well as a limited screen resolution. Glamour log is something that all players should have access to, so implementing it only for PC, Mac and PS4 is not an option.

(I'm not saying PS3 support should be dropped, or PS3 limitations are common, but in this case, the PS3 is certainly a limiting factor)

[Warlyx]

Not quite, the EU datacenter is new hardware, that's why the move was relatively fast.




As for the glamour log, I don't think that's really a server issue (even if Yoshi says it is), but more a problem that it's hard to come up with a UI that's usable on the PS3. They have very limited resources for the PS3 UI, as well as a limited screen resolution. Glamour log is something that all players should have access to, so implementing it only for PC, Mac and PS4 is not an option.

(I'm not saying PS3 support should be dropped, or PS3 limitations are common, but in this case, the PS3 is certainly a limiting factor)

DCUO is playable in PS3 and has one if not the best glamour system ever.

dye included

[MomomiMomi]

A) The market board doesnt' always sell fast. If I want to sell fast, I have to sell them at the lowest price, and constantly check so that I don't get undercut... which I really don't have time to do so.. which leads to B, assuming I've sold all the materials.

I check my prices for junk I'm selling like once a day, max, if they haven't sold. You don't have to sell in a hurry, because guess what? You don't have inventory problems.

Easy access to my materials because it's all right there, held by my retainers. Time saving achieved!

I also have easy access to materials because it's all right there, at the market board!

I got the materials I need in a very fast manner, without having to spend gil. Efficient method achieved!

I lose the 5% tax, sure, but it's not a big deal.

And I managed to not have to worry about checking my retainer every 5 minutes, just in case someone decided to undercut my price, thus making my life much easier Easy method achieved!

Already explained, I check at most once a day.

GREAT POINT, except here's a big problem. That's implying that the ONLY use for GC Seals would be for those materials (Coke, Potash, etc). However, there's not. I use my GC seals a lot for ventures, as well as cordials. Since I mine ephemeral nodes a lot, and in order to keep my GP up fast, I use a LOT of cordials.

Your market must be very different than mine, then. I buy a stack of cordials for 1000 gil. Potash sells for 1000 gil. Cordials: 500 seals. Potash: 200 seals. I don't use my seals for cordials because it's a waste. It's not efficient. I also keep a stack of ventures all the time. Takes like 15 minutes, max, to get more than 50.

Since when the price of those are ever stable. Why would I put up dawnborne aethersands for 40K (just to sell quickly), and only to risk having to buy them for 60K (and therefore losing 20K in profit).

Either making this up or your market sucks. Price ranges are predictable and don't vary that much. 10k at most here. This is one of the wider price ranges.


And I didn't even touch on the fact that not all materials are equal. If you're restocking cheap materials, you're not being efficient, because your time would be better spent on more expensive materials.

[Niwashi]

As for the glamour log, I don't think that's really a server issue (even if Yoshi says it is), but more a problem that it's hard to come up with a UI that's usable on the PS3. They have very limited resources for the PS3 UI, as well as a limited screen resolution. Glamour log is something that all players should have access to, so implementing it only for PC, Mac and PS4 is not an option.

All clients can already handle glamour. The glamour log isn't a new glamour system, just be a new way of storing a list of which items are available for it. That's really not a client side issue, so PS3 has nothing to do with it. To the client, it would simply be a window listing a bunch of items + the glamouring capabilities it already handles. The PS3 has no trouble displaying a list in a window. You see that all the time (including when you use our current glamour system and it gives a list of items you can glamour). This would just be a different source for that list rather than making one from your inventory and armoury chest.