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    GM response needed. Conflicting info regarding the selling of plots.

    There are tons of posts with conflicting info going around about whether someone selling first dibs on a plot of land to another player in game for Gil is against the ToS. (The person paying Gil to someone with a plot, for them to relinquish it, so that the buyee may then purchase the plot immediately after.)

    There are tickets that have been posted showing GMs saying it is not against the ToS, but is not endorsed. There are others saying that it is against the ToS and can cause action to be taken against your account. I need a GM to clarify this here please. Thank you.
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    I've put a few reports in and they have said it is against the ToS but at the same like you said some claim there is no violation. Certainly not a good thing to see when people who dictate our future (bans and such) are the ones who are giving out conflicting answers.
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    Exactly. I just want there to be some sort of clarification once and for all. I've seen tickets replied to from GMs saying completely different things. It would be awesome to receive a response from an LGM or something. I'm in several ffxiv groups and this topic creates a lot of strife in them. Debates get more than heated and insults usually come from it. I want to put an end to that by having a 100% answer that no one can argue with either way. This is the only thing I can really think of. People have linked how easy it is to fake a GM tell in game so no one can go by those. Tickets they can go by, but they're conflicting. So there's currently no way to really know either way.
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    We can file this thread in the same folder as all the other ones asking the same question that never received a response.
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    I don't think it could be considered illegal or a violation of the ToS, because is it simply an agreement between two players, people must be aware that it ends up being more expensive than buying a free plot since you have to pay extra for the other player to relinquish the land!...

    It would be nice to know an official response to avoid troubles, but then I'd expect it to come from the Producer himself!...
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    I personally think its just greedy pricks that buy several plots just to hold people randsom for an additional major cost....


    if its not against ToS then it deffiantly needs to be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber View Post
    I personally think its just greedy pricks that buy several plots just to hold people randsom for an additional major cost....


    if its not against ToS then it deffiantly needs to be!
    There are MANY players that own only one house and want to sell it to buy a different one, or because they are transferring servers. There is no way to get back any of the gil invested in buying a house at present short of waiting 45 days for the auto-demolish timer to expire (which isn't really a solution if you want to buy a plot that may not be free in 45 days or if you want to transfer before that 45 day timer is up).

    You can't blame these people for not wanting to lose 10-80 million gil due to SE refusing to give players an option to manually sell houses back to the system. All they have to do is give us 80% of the gil back WHENEVER we relinquish a plot, not just after 45 days, and people would no longer have any legitimate reason to sell plots to other players. At that point sure, go ahead and make it a bannable offense, but for now please take your frustrations elsewhere as they're not at all constructive.

    @OP: All cases of players being punished over this have involved them trying to sell via the party finder. As long as you don't use the PF to advertise you should be fine.
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    it definetly needs to be addressed people shouldnt be able to sell plots
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    Quote Originally Posted by papichulo123 View Post
    it definetly needs to be addressed people shouldnt be able to sell plots
    The only way they'll ever stop trying is if SE gives a legitimate alternative to recoup some of the gil invested at will (not after 45 days). Even if they did find a way to stop people selling plots they'll only make the housing shortage worse as people will simply hold onto unused land because they're not allowed to get rid of it.
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    Man it's just crazy to think that something like this might be a bannable offense and no one can give a straight answer here either way. But I do agree that I wouldn't consider it to be against the ToS personally. It's like you said, it's an agreement between two players. But then again, if people are buying up plots to sell it could be considered interfering with other peoples experience due to them not being able to buy the plot? I dunno. Only thing I could think of that would make it against the rules.

    EDIT: I agree with people posting above that this needs to be addressed and at least people need an option to sell their plot back and get most of the gil back. Currently if the house is demolished they get a chunk of what they paid back. There should be a way to do the same thing without waiting 45 days. It's a simple solution. This way they can make it 100% against the ToS to sell a house to someone in game to avoid "plot flippers" but people can still get something back for their investment if they want to upgrade or change areas.
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    Last edited by DarkSeifer; 02-29-2016 at 12:35 PM.

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