People can't wait 10 seconds...

[Scorcher24]

Sorry, but I need to vent. I am having a problem with my groups.

Every other group is playing like the world is going to end in 2 minutes. I pull a pack, lob my shield in there and immediately the whole shebang goes off. Heals, damage, the whole thing. Of course 2 mobs are running straight to the healer, my marked target to attack switches to the dps, while I try to save the healer. Pleas to wait for a Flash go unheard. I am not sure how to deal with that. If I say something, you only get comments like "L2P" or even worse.

People don't seem to realize that you have a 2.5 second GCD that you cannot circumvent as a Tank.

[MagiusNecros]

If your groups aren't watching their enmity bars then that's their own fault. If you are using the 49 PLD try to get to 50 you get an AoE DoT(instances synced below 50 notwithstanding) that will help with Enmity besides your Flash attacks. They will have to remember that you are there for them and if they want to go kill themselves then by all means let them until they learn their lesson.

[Critical-Limit]

If your groups aren't watching their enmity bars then that's their own fault. If you are using the 49 PLD try to get to 50 you get an AoE DoT(instances synced below 50 notwithstanding) that will help with Enmity besides your Flash attacks. They will have to remember that you are there for them and if they want to go kill themselves then by all means let them until they learn their lesson.

This isn't going to "teach" them a lesson.

You know what will happen to these DPS? Because someone else COULD hold hate while they go ham on everything, they will auto-assume nothing is wrong with them, and it must be the tank.

Letting them die, won't teach them a "lesson" it'll probably just make them falsely think "It's still the tanks fault".

Everyone should be trying to adapt to each other. Team Effort.

[MagiusNecros]

Everyone should be trying to adapt to each other. Team Effort.

Right. The tank generates and maintains aggro of all enemies, the DPS kills the enemies, and the healer keeps everyone alive. Break one component and your group becomes unhinged.

[Critical-Limit]

Right. The tank generates and maintains aggro of all enemies, the DPS kills the enemies, and the healer keeps everyone alive. Break one component and your group becomes unhinged.

right,

I'm just saying "letting them die" won't solve anything.

Talking like a reasonable human being is the best route. And if they are rude and say stuff like "git gud or you're bad" It's better to stomache such useless insults and just ask "How do we fix the problem?"

Maybe DPS can give some insight on how their "tank friends" keep hate. Or maybe once you establish hey you guys are 3 levels higher than me and better geared, maybe you should focus this one mob so hate control is something that's possible.

People seem so afraid to talk in this game, and they always respond to negative with more negative. which just feeds into this "bad community elitist feel" people get from trying new content.

People are already extremely conscious when they're new that they might mess it up for everyone.

[BloodPact]

right,

I'm just saying "letting them die" won't solve anything.

Talking like a reasonable human being is the best route. And if they are rude and say stuff like "git gud or you're bad" It's better to stomache such useless insults and just ask "How do we fix the problem?"

WHAT!? No way. If this were to happen to me and I'm feeling nice then I'd kick them out of the instance. If I'm feeling like they deserve something better then I'd slowly drag them to the last boss and kick them before the fight starts.

[Critical-Limit]

Sorry, but I need to vent. I am having a problem with my groups.
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Can I ask some questions?

Are you doing small pulls or big pulls?

Healer had hate right when you pulled? Did you make sure to take off any regen? and if the whm KEEPS putting it on you they might not know about it's hate generation.

It sounds like DPS were just doing the right thing. Once you get hate off healer, DPS can take a few hits, don't sweat it. Bring the mobs back to the targeted one, then build up to just before Rage of Halone> Provoke > Rage of Halone the targeted mob to get it back.

It really just sounds like the healer is being heal happy or sticking you with buffs/heals just as you pull.

[Scorcher24]

Can I ask some questions?

Are you doing small pulls or big pulls?

*snip*

I pull groups as they are chained. But I try to pull as little as I can. The game fortunately shows you which mobs are linked.
I also put numbers on them. Most of the time 3 or 4 dies before 1.
And DPS needs to wait until I did a Flash. Often enough, I get heals before all mobs are with me and I can do a flash and then the healer gains aggro and I lose aggro on mob 1 to dps because I try to get the rest.
This what I get when I ask them to adhere to the numbers:



edit: We really need cross server ignores.

[Brinzy]

I pull groups as they are chained. But I try to pull as little as I can. The game fortunately shows you which mobs are linked.
I also put numbers on them. Most of the time 3 or 4 dies before 1.

I found the problem.

You're running up and marking every single enemy in a pack, every single pack, and then getting upset when people get agitated. There is no reason to do this. At absolute most, put a 1 on something, because 2, 3, and 4 will be determined by missing health.

[Seku]

But I try to pull as little as I can.

Now that you got your gear caught up a bit. You need to pull more. Doing as little as you can (1 pack at a time), you're basically not living up to your potential and really the group could just have 3 dps with a half way decent healer. Learn to time flash, over power, or unleash, as the mobs are running -towards- you or the group. Use it quite a few times as this is how you keep hate on multiple monsters. Don't waste time marking out mobs, the only time this is a good ideas is if there is a particular mob in the group that is going to spam AoE along with 1-2 others (causes the healer hell), or has a huge AoE that you can't direct (Large circles such as the toads) that you want the dps to focus down while getting to end point of your pull.