Astro's redraw defying logic

[Redmerv]

Before the last patch the astrologian would just grab another card from their deck, now they grab another card from their deck that they don't currently have in their hands. This implies am Astrologian only has 6 cards. But this doesn't make sense as some cards have a higher grab rate then others, I always saw it that Astros had more Spires in their deck than Arrows but with this new rework that is really thrown in to the bin and the astros cards contradict theirselves

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Before the last patch the astrologian would just grab another card from their deck, now they grab another card from their deck that they don't currently have in their hands. This implies am Astrologian only has 6 cards. But this doesn't make sense as some cards have a higher grab rate then others, I always saw it that Astros had more Spires in their deck than Arrows but with this new rework that is really thrown in to the bin and the astros cards contradict theirselves

It's the result of people complaining so much about re-drawing the card over and over. I personally didn't mind it. But SE seemed to have choosen functionality/instant gratification over immersion.

[Lambdafish]

It's the result of people complaining so much about re-drawing the card over and over. I personally didn't mind it. But SE seemed to have choosen functionality/instant gratification over immersion.

The change improved a lot of things. When it was shuffle you had a chance that RNG would completely invalidate the skill. At least as redraw, the skill works as intended 100% of the time. Also, they changed the name of it to keep the immersion... you don't shuffle the card into the deck anymore, you keep the card, redraw, then shuffle both cards back into the deck.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

it improved the reliability, that's for sure. Doesn't mean immersion got improved. Look at your starglobe; it contains more than 6 cards. Whether you re-draw, mulligan, or shuffle your cards with a deck that contains duplicates, there's a chance to draw the same card - Chances of may differ depending on the action.

The change is both good and bad. Good because SE is listening to the players and actually catered to them by changing an ability for sake of (slightly) improved reliability. It's also bad as it doesn't make sense as your deck contains duplicates of the same type. Inb4 any arguments: If you spread a card, you shouldn't be able to draw that card ever again till you use the card spread. But you do.

[Amiaze]

The change is both good and bad. Good because SE is listening to the players and actually catered to them by changing an ability for sake of (slightly) improved reliability.

Agreed, and I won't argue that the ability being changed to Redraw fits the lore exactly, but to be fair, many class/job mechanics and logic don't fit the lore. The game has to make concessions for playability at times.

But I will argue that the improvement is more than slight. AST's main benefit is that it can use buffs on the party, but as it stood, literally more than half my draws would be Ewer/Spire before 3.2 launched. I would literally spend entire boss fights doing nothing but redrawing the same cards over and over again, eventually settling for using Spear or Arrow simply because I wanted to use something during the run.

And I no longer find myself saving a held Balance with Expanded Royal Road simply because I know I likely won't get it again before the next boss.

Now, I find myself getting a good mix of all the cards and being able to do things such as cast Balance on all my party members and then cast a held Bole on my tank. This is especially effective during large mob pulls when we only have ranged DPS that likely won't get hit by anything. Before 3.2, I wouldn't have dared try such a thing.

And, of course, there's always the argument that Shuffle invalidated both a cooldown (or two, if you're unfortunate) and somewhat invalidated the point of AST. I don't mind that AST uses RNG - I actually like it - but I did not appreciate how poorly implemented it was.

I now actually feel as if I'm strategizing and working with RNG rather than being a slave to it.

[RocheKat]

I now actually feel as if I'm strategizing and working with RNG rather than being a slave to it.

This. Now you can play the cards to your advantage. It also makes Royal road and spread far more powerful than they where. Going entire runs with nothing but spire/ewer was not all that fun imo.

[Roxas_Andrade]

This implies am Astrologian only has 6 cards. But this doesn't make sense as some cards have a higher grab rate then others, I always saw it that Astros had more Spires in their deck than Arrows

Actually, ASTs have more than 6 cards because you can draw the same card you have in your spread.
This thing that they have more cards of one type... In certain dungeons I did draw 70% of spires. In other dungeons I drew a lot more boles than any other cards... It's a branch of the Murphy's Law that says you pay more attention to things that go wrong more than things that go smooth...

[Aryn_Lastrov]

What about royal road when you literally burn a card? Do you have a problem when that card is returned to your deck? Or why do you never run out of cards? Do you merely show a card to someone instead of giving it to them? Do the stars grant you more cards in the heat of battle? Are cards really physical manifestations of the stars power? In that case, maybe pulling a certain cards freezes the stars aetheric tendency and prevents you from conjuring the duplicate by redrawing? Just a thought

[AlphaSonic]

Sorry, but I don't care about your immersion when we are talking about effects of abilities and spells from classes. Balance and QoL come first and Shuffle was one of the least satisfying abilities of this game. Drawing the same card again meant that the ability you used was completely worthless, not because of mismanagement but because of RNG.

[Mimilu]

Think of it like this: You aren't redrawing just a card, you're redrawing someone's fate and there are only five other "fates" to draw from. The card it just a metaphor. >w>