Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
Once people use it more than when being begged to (oh, just like goad /s ) I'll count them. Like, seriously. I never see NIN use these unless they are in serious progression mode.
Dunno what kinda chump NINs you're used to but I use Shadewalker and Smoke Screen even in 4-man dungeons. There's no reason not to.