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  1. #21
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    Averax's Avatar
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    Ven Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Striking dummy =/= ingame parser, but it's probably the closest thing we're going to get. :/
    It tests whether you are able to pass the minimum dps requirements of a given fight. You don't need to see a number to know that you're doing good enough. As long as you are able to clear the dummy, you know you're performing acceptably.
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    Charlotte Elise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    Already existing. See SSS
    Wouldn't be so bad if we could make a requirement "Must have cleared Example Dummy to enter." in the party finder and have it enforced by the game, but as it stands the best you're going to get is a screenshot (not sure if that works, don't remember if the dummy type is listed in the dlist), or watch them do it which would take an eternity per party member. "But it would lead to exclusion!", that's somewhat the point. The dummies are tuned so if you can clear them, you just might be able to meet the DPS check of the encounter, if you're unable to, practice more and get it down before even thinking about joining a party for that content.
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  3. #23
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    Ven Black
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    Wouldn't be so bad if we could make a requirement "Must have cleared Example Dummy to enter." and have it enforced by the game, but as it stands the best you're going to get is a screenshot (not sure if that works, don't remember if the dummy type is listed in the dlist), or watch them do it which would take an eternity per party member. "But it would lead to exclusion!", that's somewhat the point. The dummies are tuned so if you can clear them, you just might be able to meet the DPS check of the encounter, if you're unable to, practice more and get it down before even thinking about joining a party for that content.
    I'm not sure how well that would be received. It would certainly weed out the ice mages and the WM rebels.

    However it has almost no bearing on a healer's skill or a tank's skill.
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  4. #24
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    Charlotte Elise
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    I'm not sure how well that would be received. It would certainly weed out the ice mages and the WM rebels.

    However it has almost no bearing on a healer's skill or a tank's skill.
    They would have to design dummies specifically for those, but the majority of wipes I've seen in EX content is either due to DPS checks or mechanics. Getting rid at least one of those would always be nice, and SE could work on training for tanks and healers (maybe even DPS) through previously suggested things like an "Expert Hall".
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  5. #25
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    Princess Andrea
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuRoots View Post
    The usual "wah wah I want harder" post. Maybe you do and you're genuine. But they made Pharos Sirius normal hard and enough people whined to have that go away. People say they wanted harder coil and they make savage SCoB...no savage FCoB. People say they want harder raids again, get Gordias savage, whine that it's too hard. The "game is too easy" crowd is one that I find hard to take seriously at this point.
    TBF if the daily dungeons I do are any indicator the average player has the playing skill of a potato.
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  6. #26
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    Priya Eridian
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Pence View Post
    SE entered into ARR extremely safe and new player friendly, trying to completely avoid any 'hard/confrontational' gameplay, mechanics or systems. They treated the player base as babies.

    The player base became babies. 'Growing up' in a game where their every need was catered too, and everything was handed to them on a silver platter.

    And now we can't have nice things. RIP supported addons. Hard dungeons. Larger raid tiers. Decent PVP. Or any competitive PVE gameplay.
    I'm still salty about no tells in an instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fusional View Post
    i'd kinda like to give priya hugs with my mouth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
    Q20: Will we ever be able to send tells from within an instanced area?

    A20: While the feature can be implemented, it’s currently masked. It’s currently masked because we would like to prevent players from harassing each other just because they know they would never party together in the future. We will continue to monitor the situation carefully as we move forward.

  7. #27
    Player Judah_Brandt's Avatar
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    Judah Brandt
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    Jenova
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Wait, so, like, why do you even need to to know your numbers. If anyone can give me a logical reason that isn't related to inflating their personal ego I'll sign the petition. If the SSS trial which has the DPS check in it exists, if you beat it then you are doing sufficient damage. If you fail it you are not. The exact number is irrelevant. Other's numbers are irrelevant.
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  8. #28
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    It tests whether you are able to pass the minimum dps requirements of a given fight. You don't need to see a number to know that you're doing good enough. As long as you are able to clear the dummy, you know you're performing acceptably.
    If you think a striking dummy that basically just says, "Yay! YOU WIN!" without providing further information would be just as useful as knowing the actual DPS you're putting out on a mob with, y'know, mechanics to perform and dodge, I'm not really sure what to tell you. I mean, the dummy is going to tell me I pass whether I pass the DPS check by 5 or 500. The dummy can't tell me whether or not changes to my rotation improve my DPS unless I was failing the DPS check to begin with, but knowing the actual DPS number can. Knowing the actual number is much more informative when it comes to knowing what works and what doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt View Post
    Wait, so, like, why do you even need to to know your numbers. If anyone can give me a logical reason that isn't related to inflating their personal ego I'll sign the petition. If the SSS trial which has the DPS check in it exists, if you beat it then you are doing sufficient damage. If you fail it you are not. The exact number is irrelevant. Other's numbers are irrelevant.
    Some people just enjoy pushing their class to the absolute limits. I don't see what's irrelevant or wrong about that.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 03-04-2016 at 11:34 PM.

  9. #29
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    Atemi'a Arecis
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    Leviathan
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Striking dummy =/= ingame parser, but it's probably the closest thing we're going to get. :/
    Exactly. They fact that they introduced SSS instead of the parser people have been asking since the release of the game is an indirect way of saying it's not going to happen. What you can do, though, and your best bet is to start sending them suggestions on how to improve SSS; perhaps to add a damage info pop-up window at the end of a trial like in PvP (don't think it will happen at least in what remains of Heavenward).
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  10. #30
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    Kai Lee
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    What is wrong with adding numbers to SSS? It's not like anyone can see you or your numbers?
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