add an in game parser please!!!

[Kaurie]

On a general basis though, if you have less enmity than a sch, you suck and you get your scold

It is not uncommon for me to have #1 hate in Expert Roulette as a SCH (yes above the tank). Them SCH Deeps!

Only drgs are sensible cases, but horrible drgs don't use elusive jump usually so the error margin is reduced.

Am I misunderstanding this, or are you saying only DRGs DPS is not represented properly by the enmity bar? Also SMN (quelling + pet), BLM (quelling), BRD (quelling), MCH (quelling?), DRG (elusive jump), NIN (smoke screen, shadewalker), WHM (shroud), AST (stances), SCH (pet)

Unless it is a critical lack of dps (read: certain afk behavior), as long as they don't make you wipe, you are all good to go. Nothing makes me cringe more than recruitment messages that read; 'low dps will be kicked'. Note this is a farm group, and while I understand that you want it to work out, a guy sitting on 1200 can still make you wipe or getting himself killed because he refuses to move to avoid damage. I once had a group with 2 monks and a dragoon (M4 it was) and they were whoring for dps so bad that we wiped every single time. Not because they had low dps, au contraire, they just refused to move for certain mechanics. Once after 3 wipes we had to dimiss a bard because he just couldn't play and we couldn't clear the last boss in the dungeon. And many a time did I dimiss another healer or tank if they didn't do their job. So it is up to you guys to make the game work, not a meter.

I don't think anyone suggests that having high DPS means you can ignore mechanics. We already can see if someone is ignoring mechanics, we don't already see if they are doing DPS. It's not an either/or, we want both.

[Kuwagami]

It is not uncommon for me to have #1 hate in Expert Roulette as a SCH (yes above the tank). Them SCH Deeps!

SCH dps is at something like 60% of what a dps can do though. And that's by staying 100% of the time not healing at all (which happens only rarely).

Am I misunderstanding this, or are you saying only DRGs DPS is not represented properly by the enmity bar? Also SMN (quelling + pet), BLM (quelling), BRD (quelling), MCH (quelling?), DRG (elusive jump), NIN (smoke screen, shadewalker), WHM (shroud), AST (stances), SCH (pet)

DRG is the only dps which can cut his enmity in half. Quelling, smoke screen and shadewalker aren't that meaningful (when people even use them at all...) over a full 5-13 minutes long fight.
SMNs are a bit trickier because of the pet, but they still should have at least more hate than the SCH at equal gear.

*Cough*Shadewalker&Smokescreen*Cough&

Once people use it more than when being begged to (oh, just like goad /s ) I'll count them. Like, seriously. I never see NIN use these unless they are in serious progression mode.

[Kaurie]

SCH dps is at something like 60% of what a dps can do though. And that's by staying 100% of the time not healing at all (which happens only rarely).

I know haha, but seriously this is a common occurence :\ It's 60% single target though, SCH can have great AoE.

DRG is the only dps which can cut his enmity in half. Quelling, smoke screen and shadewalker aren't that meaningful (when people even use them at all...) over a full 5-13 minutes long fight.
SMNs are a bit trickier because of the pet, but they still should have at least more hate than the SCH at equal gear.

I don't think you should underestimate quelling, smoke screen and shadewalker! I think everyone should have more hate than SCH, it just isn't always the case.

You hit the nail on the head here:

On a general basis though, if you have less enmity than a sch, you suck and you get your scold

It's just sad that so many people fit into that category

[AlphaDragoon]

Once people use it more than when being begged to (oh, just like goad /s ) I'll count them. Like, seriously. I never see NIN use these unless they are in serious progression mode.

Dunno what kinda chump NINs you're used to but I use Shadewalker and Smoke Screen even in 4-man dungeons. There's no reason not to.