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  1. #51
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    Avatar de SnugglesD
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    aot 2015
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    Snuggles Doombringer
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Invocateur Lv 80
    Citation Envoyé par Judah_Brandt Voir le message
    Wait, so, like, why do you even need to to know your numbers. If anyone can give me a logical reason that isn't related to inflating their personal ego I'll sign the petition. If the SSS trial which has the DPS check in it exists, if you beat it then you are doing sufficient damage. If you fail it you are not. The exact number is irrelevant. Other's numbers are irrelevant.
    It comes in really handy for helping players adjust their rotation for certain phases of fights. Take Sephirot EX for example. As a SMN my go-to opener is 2 fester 1 painflare. With a parser I was able to see that dropping that in favor of the 1 fester, 1 painflare, 1 energy drain opener yielded higher numbers due to the mechanics of the first phase.

    They really do help. Its not all about epeen.
    (8)

  2. #52
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    Avatar de Andrea
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    juillet 2015
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    Princess Andrea
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    Leviathan
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    Alchimiste Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par DarkB Voir le message
    instead of adding parser they should remove the dps check totally. The dps check mentality is dumb. Bring back mechanic only based fight, and make more fun fights. You cant throw at people dps check without giving them the tools to improve their own dps.
    Besides its a very bad decision to keep going with this dps/enrage thing.
    If they remove DPS checks then why even bother bringing DPS in the first place? Why not bring 2 Healers and 6 tanks? After all no checks for them to meet and they'll stay alive easier.
    (5)

  3. #53
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    Avatar de Dante_V
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    Dante Venarra
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    Jenova
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    Chevalier noir Lv 100
    I cosign on the parser.
    (6)

  4. #54
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    Avatar de Silica-chan
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    Rena Kangawa
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Moine Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Rawrz Voir le message
    edit:
    Link to how to self parse using SSS
    Stone, Sky, Sea DPS Calculator
    Thanks for the link. Not sure how those guys created it though ppl sure are crazy nowadys
    (0)

  5. #55
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    Avatar de DarkB
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    Dark Brilliance
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Gladiateur Lv 80
    Citation Envoyé par Andrea Voir le message
    If they remove DPS checks then why even bother bringing DPS in the first place? Why not bring 2 Healers and 6 tanks? After all no checks for them to meet and they'll stay alive easier.
    Because you dont wanna kill stuff in 20 hours? what kind of question is that. While dps check only prevents people to enjoy the mechanic and fight , the other way doesnt prevent anything. If you have crazy epeen uber DPS you finish in 5 minutes like if you had a dps fight check, if you dont you jus finish in 1 hour. Still you can enjoy the content, and problem solved with this dps check parser dumb mentality.
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  6. #56
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    Avatar de Rawrz
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    juillet 2015
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Silica-chan Voir le message
    Thanks for the link. Not sure how those guys created it though ppl sure are crazy nowadys
    Someone with a parser got hp totals or each dummy was data mined. Then hp divided by 180 seconds for the minimum or it's hp divided by (180-time remaining) for your dps is my guess.

    It's like yay, my scholar hits 1030, but how does that help me understand my dps when you know, I actually have to heal the content.
    (2)
    Dernière modification de Rawrz, 05/03/2016 à 07h51

  7. #57
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    Avatar de SnugglesD
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    Snuggles Doombringer
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Invocateur Lv 80
    Citation Envoyé par DarkB Voir le message
    Because you dont wanna kill stuff in 20 hours? what kind of question is that. While dps check only prevents people to enjoy the mechanic and fight , the other way doesnt prevent anything. If you have crazy epeen uber DPS you finish in 5 minutes like if you had a dps fight check, if you dont you jus finish in 1 hour. Still you can enjoy the content, and problem solved with this dps check parser dumb mentality.
    First, there will always be some form of DPS check purely because of the pandemonium warden controversy. People getting ill because the fight dragged on way too long because they weren't doing it the right way.

    Second, DPS only tank and spank fights aren't engaging. Mechanic only fights aren't engaging either. Anyone can memorize a dummy rotation and anyone can run around in circles in a specific order. Its the combination of the two that makes an encounter engaging. Fights without DPS checks are just as boring as tank and spank fights.
    (1)

  8. #58
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    Avatar de pushin_tin
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    Ac Ungarmax
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Mage blanc Lv 80
    This topic again.

    Let me start off by saying that all adding an official parser would do is put console players on more equal footing with PC players, most of whom are already parsing. I'm completely for having at least a personal parser showing your exact damage per second. Think about it - you hit level 60 on your DPS class, with crappy gear. You spend weeks and weeks grinding away for better gear, and as you do so you start to become more comfortable and proficient at playing your job. Why would you not want to see a hard numerical representation of the core basis of your character's gear progression and your personal skill progression? Without a way to see hard numbers, I wouldn't feel much different having an item level 160 MNK as opposed to an item level 210 MNK for example. "but but", you say, "i dont need numbers to see bosses and trash packs die faster". And that is true. But you are one of two, or one of four damage dealers. Wouldn't you want to be 100% certain that stuff is dying faster because of the time and effort you put into your character, and not because of the other DPS?

    There are countless thing in life where your progress is quantifiable and noticeable. A pianist can tell that his practice and time is paying off because he plays music more accurately and over time the music sounds better. A weight-lifter can tell that his gym time is paying off because over time he can bench more and muscle/mass gains are noticeable. A calculus student can tell that his time studying and doing problem sets is paying off because he starts doing better on exams, and he starts finishing the problem sets with less effort. An air traffic controller can tell that his time in position is paying off because his sequencing to airports becomes tighter and more efficient while still maintaining required separation. A marathon runner can tell that the effort he puts into running every day is paying off because over time he can run longer distances without getting tired. I can go on and on. There is an undeniable sense of personal fulfillment as you see these noticeable improvements.

    Yet you don't want a way to see that the time and effort you put into your character is paying off? "but but", you say, "i can see my progress on SSS, as i gear more and get better at my Job, I finish with more time remaining". Cool, you can see your progress on a static dummy. Don't you want to be able to say "nice, I did much better on Thordan/A8/Sephirot than last time" with a hard number so you know 100% that you are in fact getting better? "but people will demand screenshots of your dps and people will be excluded from content if it's too low". Well, that's not a factor in Duty Finder, only for groups formed in Party Finder. And guess what? It is 100% within a party leader's rights to set whatever standard he pleases, arbitrary or not. If the standards are unreasonable, nobody will join. If the standards are reasonable, than is he really a villain for setting them?

    Mind you, everything I've stated above is in reference to a personal meter that only you can see. While I also am 100% for public meters, I recognize that a personal meter is a nice compromise. But raise your hand if you've played MCH/BRD absolutely kicking ass but your DPS partner(s) are completely underperforming and you die to low DPS/boss takes noticeably longer, resulting in YOU being kicked or harassed because "brd dps low/mch bad dps". Public meters would PREVENT as much harassment as it would purportedly cause.
    (8)

  9. #59
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    Avatar de Aaliyahrose
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    Aaliyah Rose
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    Cactuar
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    Chevalier noir Lv 70
    (6)

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  11. #60
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    Mykll Valiant
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Gladiateur Lv 93
    Citation Envoyé par Aaliyahrose Voir le message
    ..
    I wish I could like that DOUBLE!
    (2)
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