More Enemy Vs Enemy Plot Twists (Click at your own risk! Spoilers!)

[Theodric]

Unukalhai, as totally-not-Elidibus-or-his-servant, says straight out he doesn't want the Garleans touching the Triad if you speak with him in the Stones, hence why he's using us as his proxy.

See, Unuk says that but Elid points out that the Garleans will 'do their part' in one of the 3.1 ending scenes. That, to me, implies that they're either separate or that Elid really is just playing everybody - including the WoL - like a fiddle. I believe Urianger is present at the time, too. As is the WoD. I think Elid doesn't want the WoL teaming up with Garlemald, hence a potentially very blatant attempt to throw Garlemald into disarray so that it can't easily happen.

[CyrilLucifer]

See, Unuk says that but Elid points out that the Garleans will 'do their part' in one of the 3.1 ending scenes. That, to me, implies that they're either separate or that Elid really is just playing everybody - including the WoL - like a fiddle. I believe Urianger is present at the time, too. As is the WoD. I think Elid doesn't want the WoL teaming up with Garlemald, hence a potentially very blatant attempt to throw Garlemald into disarray so that it can't easily happen.

Oh I don't doubt he's playing everyone - that's basically his job. He's an Emissary - a politician, all flattery and smooth talking to lull his foes into complacency. That's kind of his charm, really. Among other things. What makes his type interesting is that they tend to speak the truth most often and you never realize it until it's too late.

But Unukalhai has been assigned to us and I don't think there can be any doubt he's related to Elidibus in some form. At all. Let me restate this because it needs to be said in every thread: Unukalhai is the alpha serpentis. As in, one of the two parts of the Serpent of Ophiuchus. And who does the Serpent Bearer represent? . . .And who is the Serpent Bearer's representative in XIV? Come on now, you love FFXII, you don't need me to answer those questions. That's SE beating us over the head with the foreshadowing stick, one just as blatant as Regula being of the VIth Legion. Let's also not ignore that he's also spouting Elidibus quotes right and left at us. I'm pretty sure a normal child wouldn't be talking about 'the fate of this very star.'

So, going from that -

If Elidibus wants the Triad awakening (which I don't believe he does, given the evidence), it's on his terms, not the Garlean's, hence leading to the current situation.
As for the evidence, what are the repercussions of Lahabrea's and Igeyorhm's failures? Well, the Beast Tribes no longer summoning, perhaps, but that's not as big of deal, I'd argue that's the most easily fixed. The bigger issue was that Lahabrea wanted Thordan to awaken the Triad. That's the mess from 3.0 Elidibus has to clean up.

But that's why this situation is so interesting, because we are acting as proxy for Elidibus, so we're stuck between two potential antagonists in conflict. What's the right path? On one hand, the Triad awakening is bad news bears, and bad news bears are to be avoided. On the other hand, do we really want to be helping Elidibus? Yes, yes I do,

[ZedRivia]

@Cyril I like your 4th paragraph, sorry i dont know to quote certain part lol. It made me realize that was the mess Lahabrea left.

[Theodric]

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Don't get me wrong, I see your point and I'm inclined to agree but...I think Elidibus does want the Garleans to be playing around with the Triad. Someone told them about Thordan's plans because they were in pursuit of the Archbishop and fully aware of Azyz Lla's existence. I don't believe it was actually addressed, though, so it could be something overlooked or forgotten about. I'm actually hoping that Lucia is actually playing Aymeric like a fiddle and exploiting his kind nature whilst feeding information to Garlemald under the pretense of being a 'defector'. It'd certainly explain why Varis barely reacted at all when she 'attacked' him with a magitek reaper.

I mean, realistically whoever fed the Garleans information about Thordan must have had intimate access to information that only a very select few were aware of. My initial thought was that it could be Lahabrea and Igorythrm...but neither of them were fully aware of the extent of the Archbishop's plans, if I recall correctly - and they certainly didn't realise that he was plotting against them. I don't know, though. Maybe I'm just overthinking it?

[CyrilLucifer]

It's true that Lahabrea was unaware of all of Thordan's plans, but the depths of the Aetherochemical Research Facility house the Triad Core. That's where we fight Ascian Prime.

So, at the very least, Lahabrea did know and was actively perpetuating Thordan's interest in the Triad, else he wouldn't have shown Thordan the place. That was the entire purpose for entry into Azys Lla.

[Frederick22]

It's true that Lahabrea was unaware of all of Thordan's plans, but the depths of the Aetherochemical Research Facility house the Triad Core. That's where we fight Ascian Prime.

So, at the very least, Lahabrea did know and was actively perpetuating Thordan's interest in the Triad, else he wouldn't have shown Thordan the place. That was the entire purpose for entry into Azys Lla.

But why would Edibudus wants to get rid off the triad? They are a pottencialy an 8th umbral calamity thing.

[CyrilLucifer]

But why would Edibudus wants to get rid off the triad? They are a pottencialy an 8th umbral calamity thing.

We don't know, just as we don't know why Elidibus would approach Urianger - and why Urianger would tell us you can sometimes trust our foes, hence implying that the Scion is listening. I have theories, but my theory is based on Lahabrea's quote: As it always was, as it ever should have remained.

Looking at these pieces of information -
Urianger continues meeting with Elidibus, meaning there is some truth to the words he speaks regarding Hydaelyn and 'the fate of this very star.'
Hydaelyn existed as one with Zodiark.
Elidibus and Lahabrea do not always share methods in pursuing their goals.

I believe that Eldibus wants Hydaelyn to continue existing, but in a vastly weakened state, to the point where she's just comatose and incapable of interfering. But what happens if the Triad awakens, be it at the hands of the Garleans or your accidentally messing around with technology you don't understand? Hydaelyn could very well be destroyed prematurely, removing any potential for 'balance' and making it impossible to 'return to as it once was' that Elidibus seeks.

Keep in mind that in the same scene Elidibus also mentions the others have not yet 'agreed' to the next Rejoining yet. We don't know exactly why they would need to agree to it, either, but Rejoinings are clearly not something they want spontaneously occurring just because they have the potential to. Lahabrea jumped the gun.

[Morningstar1337]

I'm actually hoping that Lucia is actually playing Aymeric like a fiddle and exploiting his kind nature whilst feeding information to Garlemald under the pretense of being a 'defector'. It'd certainly explain why Varis barely reacted at all when she 'attacked' him with a magitek reaper.

If they do something like this (which so far seems to have no evidence thus far) I hope it dosenlt wind up with the Scions framed or Ameryc being poisoned to a state of torpor. I do not think the fanbase would appreciate a repeat of the bloody banquet.