Job System details

[Travesty]

This seems pretty cool, but I really wonder if they're going to be able to effectively make it so that 6 or 8 Jobs in a group is better/more efficient than 6-8 Classes with hybrid abilities. Sure the hybrid classes are going to be a little worse at the roles the jobs specifically focus on, but they'll also be able to do everything. I just wonder if a system where each individual is really good at 1 thing is going to end up better than everyone being OK at a lot of things.

[Darkhaund]

mmmm i still dont quite understand.. so you can be a Glad 50 and a paladin 50? very very strange

[Alerith]

mmmm i still dont quite understand.. so you can be a Glad 50 and a paladin 50? very very strange

Your Paladin IS your Gladiator.

If you're a level 30 Gladiator, when you unlock Paladin, it will be level 30.
If you're a level 42 Gladiator, you're a level 42 Paladin.

Paladin is a specialization of the Gladiator class used for tanking. You lose the "hybrid" abilities you have as a Gladiator, and in place of those you have specialized Paladin abilities for survival, tanking and protecting party members.

[Teakwood]

I suspect the Job system will -really- come into its own when disciplines wind up having more than one associated job. Granted this may not be for quite a while, but there's a lot of potentially fun design space here to explore. I'm looking forward to it.

[Darkhaund]

Wht are you talking about?
Examples?

[Amsai]

From what I read from that interview, this is exactly what they have stated all along. I remember them saying way back when, that Jobs would be for full group and classes would be for solo/casual/light party. Anyone concerned about if they can pull it off, and make Jobs more effective than classes can stop specualting. Classes = more versatility and less power in a specific role, and Jobs = little/or no versatility and more power in a specific role. For examlpe, Blm might be 15% more powerful of a nuker than just using thm or con nukes. Pld might be 15% more of a better tank than either mrd or gla. Im not stating these as concrete facts, but just as examples as to I beleive it will play out. Meanwhile, Classes will be good for solo content and light party situations, where people need to be more flexible due to lack of members. I don't understand the people that somehow think that max cross-classed built roles would be better than Jobs. Its like your either a master of 1 role and not able to do any others, or you go with being a jack of all trades but a master of none. Pretty straight forward, if you ask me.

[Travesty]

I don't understand the people that somehow think that max cross-classed built roles would be better than Jobs. Its like your either a master of 1 role and not able to do any others, or you go with being a jack of all trades but a master of none. Pretty straight forward, if you ask me.

I don't think a single cross-class build will be better than a single Job. My question is if you have a party of 8, why are 8 Jobs with specific roles going to be better than 8 Jack-of-all-trades, or maybe 7 with 1 Paladin. I think that balance is going to be hard to pull off.

[Felis]

What would you like more in your full party raid?
1 CON and 1 THM as hybrid classes or 1 CON and 1 THM spezialised as BLM and WHM to save your group better and help killing faster?

[Travesty]

What would you like more in your full party raid?
1 CON and 1 THM as hybrid classes or 1 CON and 1 THM spezialised as BLM and WHM to save your group better and help killing faster?

That's not really the equation. It's more like, what would you want, 1 BLM and 1 WHM, or 8 people with Cure and Damage spells, who also attack and do everything else.

Think of it like percentages. If 1 WHM fulfills the "WHM role" at 100% efficiency, but 4 hybrid classes fulfill the role at even just 30% efficiency each, that's still 20% more "WHM powa" than the single WHM.

Of course that's a very rough kind of analysis, but you get what I'm saying.

[ChiefCurrahee]

That's not really the equation. It's more like, what would you want, 1 BLM and 1 WHM, or 8 people with Cure and Damage spells, who also attack and do everything else.

Think of it like percentages. If 1 WHM fulfills the "WHM role" at 100% efficiency, but 4 hybrid classes fulfill the role at even just 30% efficiency each, that's still 20% more "WHM powa" than the single WHM.

Of course that's a very rough kind of analysis, but you get what I'm saying.

But then those classes could be losing out on some other aspect.

you can have 1 whm focusing on their job, or have 4 people doing it. But those 4 people are also supposed to be DD, so every time they toss a cure they lose out on an attack round.

I dunno about you, but when I play Lancer I don't want to stuck healing unless its vital for the PT's survival. Same goes when I play any melee class sans Gladiator because Cures are an awesome provoke.