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    Sollux's Avatar
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    Ailandi Sensei
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    Armorer Lv 60
    Why do these threads keep popping up? Anyways, Specialist limitations were implemented with the economy and socialization in mind. I'd love nothing more than to craft everything I need any time I want throughout the week (Actually I can, I just have to message a friend), but that makes for an unhealthy, stagnant economy with supply outweighing demand much quicker due to potential buyers likely choosing to craft the item themselves rather than purchase it off the MB on top of more potential sellers. Then prices drop closer and closer to material cost until there's no longer any profit to be made from that item and the Endgame market is dead until next patch.

    Tl:dr, Working as intended, go make some friends
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    Last edited by Sollux; 03-04-2016 at 04:59 AM.

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    Chenn Maboroshi
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sollux View Post
    Specialist limitations were implemented with the economy and socialization in mind.
    Any sources or quotes for that? Because it sounded a little different before Heavensward dropped.

    http://www.famitsu.com/news/201503/14074044.html#page08

    吉田 そのさじ加減が難しいところですが、これによって「やりたい1クラスのみ極めても成立する」ことを実現しつつ、やり込みや「全部やりたい!」も叶えていければと思っています。また『蒼天のイシュガルド』から、クラフターとギャザラーにもアラガントームストーンのような仕組みが実装され、バトルクラスと同様に、アイテムを集めることで新たな装備や効果を獲得できるようになります。
    The bolded text: Players who want to focus on one crafter will be able to do so, while players who want to use all crafters can also do so. The changes in Heavensward were supposed to be about choice. This system was proposed as a means to help players who don't want to level up all the crafters, not lock out those who do.

    No one was stopping people from joining the various crafting linkshells that were floating around prior to 3.0, but now it's fine that our arms are being twisted into doing so?

    I think reducing the cost or difficulty of replacing soul crystals is a sensible way to improve what they've done (although I also think 90 is too low), but let's not fool ourselves into thinking this system is all gumdrops and rainbows.

    I won't say the specialist system needs to be removed, but it does need to be improved.
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    Last edited by Spellbinder; 03-04-2016 at 05:06 PM. Reason: Fixed a typo.

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    Sethira Phielti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbinder View Post
    let's not fool ourselves into thinking this system is all gumdrops and rainbows. I won't say the specialist system needs to be removed, but it does need to be improved.
    Yes I agree. Tired of the camps and black/white approach to this system. I feel that it *sort of* does what it's intended to do but the specialist skills being so bad is somewhat of an elephant in the room. The desire to communicate with other crafters has increased, partly for the wrong reasons. The restriction is arbitrary and contrived but people have made some new friends. I feel that you should be able to craft everything from all 8 classes, but only have access to 1 specialist - and that specialist actually gains +40 craft and +40 control from it's soul crystal. The specialist skills are undoubtedly a huge joke when Maker's Mark and ToT are in the room. But it's too late for changes like that, apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbinder View Post
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    I don't have any direct quotes on hand, no, but what I do have is this: Specialists were never originally intended to have their own exclusive recipes. They were added due to player feedback and weren't part of the planning for the Specialist system.

    Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3263886

    On release the 3-class limit and Soul cost wouldn't have affected the majority of the players that the system was intended to help, and they may have approached things differently had Specialist recipes been part of the planning from the beginning.

    I agree the entire system needs work in general, but my main point stands that the 3-class limit and Soul cost have a number of positive effects to go along with the negative, and the negative is easily countered with a little socialization.
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    Crafting is my Endgame, and I'm an Elitist.

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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sollux View Post
    Anyways, Specialist limitations were implemented with the economy and socialization in mind. I'd love nothing more than to craft everything I need any time I want throughout the week (Actually I can, I just have to message a friend), but that makes for an unhealthy, stagnant economy with supply outweighing demand much quicker due to potential buyers likely choosing to craft the item themselves rather than purchase it off the MB on top of more potential sellers. Then prices drop closer and closer to material cost until there's no longer any profit to be made from that item and the Endgame market is dead until next patch.
    The problem is that the inflation in the economy due to an increase in scarcity isn't a good situation either. There needs to be balance between desirability and affordability for the economy to truly be healthy, and the current system doesn't provide that.
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    Belmont Blanc
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I just try to ask my neighbor to craft Replica High Allagan Coat of healing for my friend since it's not my spec.

    We didn't talked much but now we're good friend, thanks to specialist system

    The system also encourage my FC members who always rely on me because I can just craft almost everything for them to level and choose their spec that we're lacking so they can contribute to FC.

    On the topic, I agree like Piratecat said that the cost should be able to devided by 50. If I want to buy one soul to change spec, I will have leftover 20 script that can't be used.
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    90 or 100 ? It's so unreasonable that this request will likely not be taken seriously. I agree, though, the cost is too high.
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Specialization in concept is great, in practice it is not. I said this in another thread, but materials for other classes should not be locked behind specialization, in fact materials should not be specialist regardless. If I'm playing LTW, I should not require another classes specialist materials for my recipes, that is the core of the problem. Exclusive items, sure, but that is not how the system seems to be being designed.
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    Culfinrandir Caladel
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    It would be nice to have a fourth specialist, that way you can pair up & have all crafts covered. Just like they did with Desynthesis by increasing the caps.
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    Roth Trailfinder
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    Last I checked, you can only take 3 Desynthesis classes to max. You then have some 10 (or 20?) points per remaining class to play with. You cannot max out 4 Desynths on one character.
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