What is so bad about FFXI?

[Jennestia]

FFXI was cool, but this game can be its own game, it doesnt need to copy ffxi. why should it? ffxi was 1 out of 14 final fantasies, and it probably wasnt even the best selling one.

It wasn't, if i recall XIII was pretty much up there alongside VII. Even then, as this person said:

FFXI and FFXIV should have had the same kind of relationship Demon's and Dark souls have. While the second isn't the first's sequel, it builds off what made the first one great and enhances it while trying to avoid the flaws of the first.

This is exactly the point. No a 'party search system is a FFXI exclusive', but it's from an MMORPG Square Enix made 10 years ago, there's no reason XIV should have lacked the same basic systems.

except that idealogy directly goes against what square has done with the FF franchise, ffxi was only 1 final fantasy,

FFII built off of FFI.

FFIII built off of FFII and added a real job system.

FFV built off of FFIII and even enhanced the job system.

FFTT took the job system further, something that originated in FFIII (can argue II).

So yes, It does actually fit in what Square has done with FFs. Even FFXI is a glorified FFIII over an Everquest base.

[ellohwell]

It wasn't, if i recall XIII was pretty much up there alongside VII. Even then, as this person said:


This is exactly the point. No a 'party search system is a FFXI exclusive', but it's from an MMORPG Square Enix made 10 years ago, there's no reason XIV should have lacked the same basic systems.

We get it. You hate FFXIV and run a fansite for it (ironically).

And we get it. FFXIV needs a good search function. We get that. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise.

What FFXIV doesnt need however is to degenerate into a FFXI clone, making all the same mistakes FFXI made.

I see FFXIV making the same mistakes FFXI made, even now, and it's a path which won't lead them to success. Going back the the required class and rank thing, for example. Freedom was one thing FFXI lacked entirely. And it's funny to see every other MMO moving toward giving players freedom, and at the same time see FFXIV pulling away from that trend.

[Jennestia]

We get it. You hate FFXIV and run a fansite for it (ironically)..

That's funny, where did I say I hated FFXIV? Then again, I guess you actually like the fact XIV lacked basic systems of any MMORPG? Like a working party search system?

Which is also funny, a lot more people proved with their flatout refusal to play and even leaving the game pretty quickly they didn't enjoy the fact XIV lacked even basic features found in a previous MMORPG that Square made.

That's the problem here, if in FFXI and FMO there were basic systems present, why did XIV forgo it? You do realize Square admitted it was a mistake in it's original direction with the game, right? Why do you think they're overhauling the game?

Surely not because people enjoyed every single aspect about the game.

it's a path which won't lead them to success. Going back the the required class and rank thing, for example

Rift is pretty successful, it also has restrictions with certain aspects. So like you say:

We get it

You hate the system, that's fine.

[ellohwell]

That's funny, where did I say I hated FFXIV?

I dunno, maybe it was somewhere inbetween the five-hundred times you have complained that FFXIV isn't FFXI-2.

Then again, I guess you actually like the fact XIV lacked basic systems of any MMORPG? Like a working party search system?

Here is my Jennestia impersonation of answering everything with a question: "Where did I say I liked MMORPGs purely because they dont have working party search systems?"

[Jennestia]

I dunno, maybe it was somewhere inbetween the five-hundred times you have complained that FFXIV isn't FFXI-2.

Never once stated this, thanks for trying though. Btw, stating basic systems should be present in their next iteration of an MMORPG doesn't say "it should be a (mmo)-2".

If you make and create 2 working MMOs, then create a broken 3 that doesn't even take the basics of a 10 year old established MMORPG that was previous created by the same company...there's a problem, and a lot of people seen that problem.

[ellohwell]

Never once stated this, thanks for trying though.

You don't even know what you want anymore...

If it's just a working party search system that you want, well gurlfriend, that can be arranged! I hope you look forward to patch 1.20 which will provide that for you.

[Jennestia]

You don't even know what you want anymore...

I do actually:

A MMORPG that shows they've learned something in the past 10 years between two (fairly different) MMORPGs they've created that both were successful. When you look at FFXIV, you feel they've learned..nothing, everything they've stepped forward with, they've taken many steps backwards.