Healer Enmity increase?

[kingatlas]

Well saying it's not the healers fault at all, without any info is kind of Misleading.

Was the healer overhealing excessively? we don't know
Was the healer way over geared compered to their tanks? we don't know
Did the healer start the fight with a HOT before pull? We don't know

There are also other reasons, but yes some tanks are having trouble adjusting, because they still want to push dps, even in content where it isn't needed.

[Ranulf]

Also remember, Brute Justice is technically a new encounter, so enmity has been wiped completely clean. Blasting the party with an Assize/Medica II/Cure III, Indom/Succor, (Aspec.)Helios right at the start is a sure fire way to glue him onto you until he wastes you or the tanks scramble to take him back.

I know it's tempting to heal everyone up to full after Transformation, but let them get a combo and some OGCDs off first before you heal up. The first brutal attack is Double Rocket Punch which does minimal damage with Virus, cooldowns, and a soak.

[Lemuria]

Nah, its not a healer thing. From my understanding tanks generate less enmity now due to the recent changes since they lost 15% of their damage over night. That doesn't make up for the increased enmity they gained on tank stances.

Eh... what? Who lost 15% of their damage now? Overall, my damage has substantially increased as a paladin on account of higher damage ratings on skills, a 5% damage gain in tank stance (previously reduced outgoing damage by 20%, and is now 15%) and vitality now plays a substantial role in damage so anyone who geared for VIT (like, actual tank gear) would have seen vast improvements.

Couple this with the enmity boost gain, and there's no reason tanks should be losing aggro. This goes double for paladins who rely more on Flash than they do on raw DPS to maintain aggro, since it was fixed aggro to start with, and now awards more enmity.

Where is this misinformation about tanks losing damage coming from?

[dekal]

Yeah it can be either the tank(s) or heale's fault. If the healer got better gears and is doing df, try to gear up lower ilvl? If the tank has same gear ilvl he was not in shield oath and that will make it hard to regain the aggro or the other tank was voking the boss. The other tank may be got difficulty on keeping aggro.

[AngelicSence]

Well saying it's not the healers fault at all, without any info is kind of Misleading.

Was the healer overhealing excessively? we don't know
Was the healer way over geared compered to their tanks? we don't know
Did the healer start the fight with a HOT before pull? We don't know

There are also other reasons, but yes some tanks are having trouble adjusting, because they still want to push dps, even in content where it isn't needed.

Yup, exactly.

[Aldora]

Also remember, Brute Justice is technically a new encounter, so enmity has been wiped completely clean. Blasting the party with an Assize/Medica II/Cure III, Indom/Succor, (Aspec.)Helios right at the start is a sure fire way to glue him onto you until he wastes you or the tanks scramble to take him back.

I know it's tempting to heal everyone up to full after Transformation, but let them get a combo and some OGCDs off first before you heal up. The first brutal attack is Double Rocket Punch which does minimal damage with Virus, cooldowns, and a soak.

What Ranulf said here is basically the problem i’m facing as a tank.

It’s not that the enmity of a healer has been increased or the enmity generation of the tank has been decreased, but that the hate has been wiped clean when Brute Justice appears. So, it’s more a matter of the timing of the heals and the strength of the heals the moment Brute Justice becomes targetable.

But, that doesn’t mean i would blame a healer or a DPS for generating hate “too fast”, or say that the tank (in this case me) sucks. It’s a relatively new fight, so we’re all still figuring out what works best.

[Evangela]

Many bosses in Midas require 4-5 seconds for the tank to position them properly so it's a good idea to give your tank some times before you spam your stuffs that increase your enmity.

[Priwia]

As other people said, don't over-heal during phases transition.

Don't put regens spell on the party and / or don't do aoe healing during the first 2 seconds of the new phase.
Or, if you do it, use the spell that lower your aggro.

Brute Justice start with 0 points of aggro on all the party members, if you go all out with the heals, the tank may take some seconds to take it back, even with provoke if the party have regens up.
Also, if you are "tagged" when the boss start the tank buster, the tank can't do anything. And the first tank buster come a couple seconds after the start.

[Hellboy-sa]

Eh... what? Who lost 15% of their damage now? Overall, my damage has substantially increased as a paladin on account of higher damage ratings on skills, a 5% damage gain in tank stance (previously reduced outgoing damage by 20%, and is now 15%) and vitality now plays a substantial role in damage so anyone who geared for VIT (like, actual tank gear) would have seen vast improvements.

Couple this with the enmity boost gain, and there's no reason tanks should be losing aggro. This goes double for paladins who rely more on Flash than they do on raw DPS to maintain aggro, since it was fixed aggro to start with, and now awards more enmity.

Where is this misinformation about tanks losing damage coming from?

guess u didnt know about STR tanking and how most tanks lost somewhere around 20% DPS because not just STR isnt main stat

but also 1 STR + 1 VIT = 0.90 of attack power

[BHGlobbd]

It's a result of the changes to Tanks, first day of patch I had a DRG pull hate off me :/
Just takes a bit of relearning to hold hate.