SE Please add jump and swiming

[ellohwell]

No one said XI is being attacked, it's the people who play FFXI being attacked. Just read this thread:

"FFXI players are why we can't have jump"

"FFXI players are holding this game back"

Even you stated at one point:

So no one said the game is being attacked, it's the fact people keep continually spouting off "FFXI players this" and "FFXI players that".

I think we both know that you have made it abundantly clear that all you want is FFXI-2. You deny it, but it's clear to anybody that has been on this forum more than five seconds. You hide behind vague statements like "oh but I never said that explicitly", and that's the problem even trying to discuss something with you; you never actually say anything explicitly. All your arguments are what you didn't say.

[Jennestia]

I think we both know that you have made it abundantly clear that all you want is FFXI-2.

Indeed, wanting basic systems found in the same company's previous MMORPG as well as content types means you want a direct clone. You do know FFX and FFX-2 are considered as such because they take place in the same world with the same storyline, right?

How would FFXIV be a FFXI-2 by using basic systems found in FFXI? Every MMORPG has a proper search system as well as content. Unless the storyline is about stopping the revival of the shadow lord or the destruction of our reality and having it replaced with Lady Lilith's..it won't ever be a "FFXI-2".

Even FFXIII-2 is based in the same world of FFXIII...thus the "FFXIII-2" -- a sequel.

[ellohwell]

Indeed, wanting basic systems found in the same company's previous MMORPG as well as content types means you want a direct clone. You do know FFX and FFX-2 are considered as such because they take place in the same world with the same storyline, right?

How would FFXIV be a FFXI-2 by using basic systems found in FFXI? Every MMORPG has a proper search system as well as content. Unless the storyline is about stopping the revival of the shadow lord or the destruction of our reality and having it replaced with Lady Lilith's..it won't ever be a "FFXI-2".

Even FFXIII-2 is based in the same world of FFXIII...thus the "FFXIII-2" -- a sequel.

FFXI-2 is a metaphor... omg. There is no hope for you, Jennestia. None whatsoever.

Most FFXI diehards dont want jump added, so if there isn't a causality there, there is still a strong correlation, and many forum-goers have picked up on the phenomenon by now.

The irony in the argument "I want FFXIV to build off of what FFXI did right" is that you would never say "I want FFXIV to build off of what WoW, Rift, TERA, SW:ToR, Mortal Online, ArcheAge, Blade and Soul, etc., did right." i.e. Add fricking jump!

[Jennestia]

FFXI-2 is a metaphor... omg.

It would be if Square didn't already start using "-2" to signify sequels.

The irony in the argument "I want FFXIV to build off of what FFXI did right" is that you would never say "I want FFXIV to build off of what WoW, Rift, TERA, SW:ToR, Mortal Online, ArcheAge, Blade and Soul, etc., did right."

Because it makes a lot more sense to build off of what you did instead of throwing it out the window (which ironically, is what SW:ToR and Tera did -- Bioware is building off of all they done in terms of accomplishments while we all know the story behind Tera and BHS)

XIV was designed in a way it questioned if they even made an MMORPG before.

[Zaireeka2025]

Even FFXIII-2 is based in the same world of FFXIII...thus the "FFXIII-2" -- a sequel.

Guess what? FFXIII-2 has jumping. Same world, updated mechanics. You can stop crying now.

"The developers also want players to have more control over their character and a larger variety of experiences in the game, which explains the inclusion of a jump button (the first in the numbered FINAL FANTASY series’ long history), which can be used to find hidden chests." (Source)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-75BdU8U-w&t=56s

Square Enix finally knows whats up. Because they are game designers with an updated vision.

[Answa]

Guess what? FFXIII-2 has jumping. Same world, updated mechanics. You can stop crying now.

She's not saying she doesn't want jump... she just says putting it now is a waste of resources. I agree with this. Stop nitpicking her posts and twisting her words just so you can keep fighting. The only difference I've seen between both of you is timeline.

Seriously, pointless fighting is... well, pointless.

[Zaireeka2025]

She's not saying she doesn't want jump... she just says putting it now is a waste of resources. I agree with this. Stop nitpicking her posts and twisting her words just so you can keep fighting. The only difference I've seen between both of you is timeline.

Seriously, pointless fighting is... well, pointless.

Actually, she is saying exactly that. Only reason it doesn't seem that way is because she tries so hard to change the subject matter in different directions with each and every post.

[Jennestia]

She's not saying she doesn't want jump... she just says putting it now is a waste of resources. I agree with this. Stop nitpicking her posts and twisting her words just so you can keep fighting. The only difference I've seen between both of you is timeline.

Seriously, pointless fighting is... well, pointless.

Indeed, he's just really bent on thinking everyone is against it simply if they've played XI before or not adamantly pushing for it.

Anyone that actually knows me knows I love the hell out of FFXIII and wish they would have did to it what they did with VII, flesh it out in prequels and sequels (just not as MUCH as they did, but we're kind of thrown into a world which alone could spawn a prequel, for example a year or two prior to the events of XIII, or even back before Vanille and Fang were crystalized.)

Actually, she is saying exactly that. Only reason it doesn't seem that way is because she tries so hard to change the subject matter in different directions with each and every post.

Actually I'm not against jump, never have been. Simply because I play FFXI you assumed I was.

[Zaireeka2025]

Actually I'm not against jump, never have been. Simply because I play FFXI you assumed I was.

Well gee, if you would shut up about being so sensitive about your FFXI status, maybe I would be able to see that we actually agree. You argue with the jump community because you want to make a certain point. That point is that jump should be implemented correctly. WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING. So stop going against every little thing I say, cuz it goes both ways Jennestia Senior Moderator of FFXIVCore.com. Moderate yourself.

[Jennestia]

Well gee, if you would shut up about being so sensitive about your FFXI status

Yet whenever jump is brought up the first thing people do is attack FFXI players. (just read the OP.) So of course I'll argue a point, since most arguments/suggestions for jump degrades into attacking FFXI players as a whole.

That point is that jump should be implemented correctly. WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING.

Exactly, yet I get called a 'FFXI conservative" and my stance made for me instead of putting aside the fact I play their other MMORPG which automaically means I must be against it? (Yet I have an active sub for 3 of the biggest MMOs that utilize jump in even combat >.>)