SE Please add jump and swiming

[ellohwell]

In Final Fantasy Leviathan is generally a floating serpent (not necessarily a fish perse) and whenever people bring up "realism", they get slammed with "THIS IS A FANTASY GAME", so nothing is wrong with fighting a floating Leviathan, that's fantasy as well as how he generally is in past games.

No playerbase is ruining anything -- People use that as an excuse because they can't deal with the fact not everyone wants to see FFXIV being the same tired old MMORPG that gets release almost 10 times a year. Every MMO ends up the same. People refer to FFXI because not only is it in the same series ) but it also had all the basics and a very good foundation it could have built off of, which even Yoshida refers to in some interviews how a lot of changes will "be like how it was in XI" as an example, because it's simply another MMORPG they've created before.

However, it seems like people want XIV to be another generic MMORPG, which is cool, but with the flood of other generic MMORPGs coming out, it'll be hard pressed to say that XIV offers anything new and unique when people want it to play like every other MMO out there. The only difference would be you could switch jobs and classes at will, which other MMOs are starting to incorporate (Eden Eternal).

Even then, Yoshida said it would be something that wouldn't happen for a very long time, and they honestly have bigger things to worry about (the main argument against it, by the way) than jumping and swimming, the game is fundamentally flawed, not flawed by being held by a playerbase.

You are such a hypocrite, no offence. I kind of agree with what you're saying, in principle, but I i disagree with what you deem "generic".

Jumping adds something to the game, and so does swimming. What doesn't add something to the game is the restricted rank system, which coincidentally you are all for, simply because - and I quote - "it's like that in every other MMORPG".

Classic Jennestia.

[Jennestia]

Jumping adds something to the game, and so does swimming.

No it doesn't. The game has to be designed for it to "add something to it", and just about every MMO but a few actually makes use of the mechanic other than making it animation.

What doesn't add something to the game is the restricted rank system,

This is an opinion.

[ellohwell]

No it doesn't. The game has to be designed for it to "add something to it", and just about every MMO but a few actually makes use of the mechanic other than making it animation.

At the very least it adds an animation so you aren't vertically walking up and down sheer cliff faces. (If you played the game you'd know what I'm taking about.)

It also let's you jump down from ledges (which presently create a huge annoyance despite the fact that they have tried their hardest to alleviate this issue).

It also adds the sense that you aren't unrealistically tethered to the ground like a muppet.

So even at the very least it is still adding something to the game.

This is an opinion.

And so is wanting the game to be a clone of FFXI. The difference is my opinion isn't stupid.

[Jennestia]

So is wanting the game to be a clone of FFXI. The difference is my opinion isn't stupid.

Indeed, which no one wants a clone of XI, but it would be pretty blind to say that they shouldn't have built on the foundation of XI and took it further as they had access to better technology and more experience, XIV compared to XI was and is viewed in the light they learned "nothing" between 2 MMORPGs prior to it.

(If you played the game you'd know what I'm taking about.)

I do play the game actually, but thanks for trying.

[Suirieko]

At the very least it adds an animation so you aren't vertically walking up and down sheer cliff faces. (If you played the game you'd know what I'm taking about.)

It also let's you jump down from ledges (which presently create a huge annoyance despite the fact that they have tried their hardest to alleviate this issue).

It also adds the sense that you aren't unrealistically tethered to the ground like a muppet.

So even at the very least it is still adding something to the game.

I can most certainly attest that she does play the game. >.>;

That and there's really no 'jumping up' the cliff or 'jumping down'. It's more like sliding up or down, or simply, just walking up and down the cliff.

I would only support jump (and swimming) if the game map were actually designed for it. Clearly FFXIV is not designed for it.

[Tiraelina]

I can most certainly attest that she does play the game. >.>;

That and there's really no 'jumping up' the cliff or 'jumping down'. It's more like sliding up or down, or simply, just walking up and down the cliff.

I would only support jump (and swimming) if the game map were actually designed for it. Clearly FFXIV is not designed for it.

That sliding up and down cliffs is the problem. Did you miss that the entire world is being redesigned?

[Suirieko]

That sliding up an down cliffs is the problem. Did the miss that the entire world is being redesigned?

Yes. That's why I said the game isn't designed for it. Maybe FFXIV 2.0 will be designed for it. But at this point, it is clearly moot to add jump and swim, when it really serves no purpose. When it does serve a purpose, then I'll support it.

[Jennestia]

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That and there's really no 'jumping up' the cliff or 'jumping down'. It's more like sliding up or down, or simply, just walking up and down the cliff.

Which from what I remember, they stated was pretty much temporary regardless. There's still a ton of barriers on all axis, which means they could very much make it likely when you jump you still won't be able to jump down cliff faces, or jump over ledges.

Even in Rift the jump gets wonky at times (not as much anymore, but it still wonky in some instances.)