SE Please add jump and swiming

[Wynn]

Why can't I play a MMO tailored to my tastes? Just becasuse it's a MMO doesn't mean I'm not allowed to speak out about developement topics that I don't agree with, or ones I feel would be good for the game. That's the point of these forums I'll never understand people who come here just to try and "Shut down" people for there own ideals because they don't agree.

Discussing the topic can do nothing but good for both sides of the arguement lest we start hurling useless insults.

People are going to argue for/against jumping in XIV until the end of time wether it's implemented or not, get over it and join the conversation if you have something to actually add to the discussion. Otherwise telling people to "Go play a offline game of your tastes" is the most useless thing you can say, stop trying to stifle everyones voice wether you agree or don't agree. People come to a forum to....my god discuss things, let people discuss things.


That's far from "Confirming" the jump features release, when we see it show up in patch notes it's still up in the air. Yoshida has stated that a large portion of the userbase is AGAINST implementing the feature. So it's as likely that the plans are on hold until they can convince the players that it would be a good idea.

I'm not convinced yet, neither are many people here.

I want to hear what they have planned for a "Jump" feature before I condemn it but we don't have any information so one must assume it's going to be as useless and stupid as the most emulated game on the market.

Number one, you didn't quote the entire post which adds weight to the context so here it is:

Wanted to let you all know that we will be making it possible to cancel spells while casting by using the jump key or the ESC key. Have no fear that we do have plans for it! (The jump key method would of course be once it is implemented…)

And then I see your quote with his follow up.

Just to clarify, I wasn't joking in my post, sorry if I made the wrong impression (based on my usual hilarious anecdotes...) Sorry if I made anyone jump to that conclusion!

You'd have to be pretty far up de' nile to still believe jump is not coming.

[Jynx]

Perhaps you should have quoted my entire post.

Why would I quote your entire post when I am responding to a particular peice of information? I read the whole thing and I understand what you are saying. Quoting the whole thing doesn't change what I said.

Telling people to "Go play another game" is shutting down their opinions it's akin to me telling people to STFU and go play WoW if they want to bunny hop over earthquake attacks. My point stands that when you say "Not to be rude" and then go on to be rude, thats a asanine response.

It's about what's good for the game as a whole. Sorry, but MMOs aren't designed for one person who has pet peeves. We all have them, if they acted on all of them the game would likely be a steaming pile.

What makes you think that jumping is "Good for the game as a whole" sure the developers may think it's a neat and fun idea, but many people don't. Yoshida himself even said there was alot of lashback at the idea of adding jump to the game. I'm not telling the developers to act on my every whim, I am however voicing my opinion on the subject so they are aware of what I and others think on the subject.

Just letting the developement team to "Go it alone" and ignore the players by shutting down our discussion with asanine comments is pretty much telling the devs to do whatever they want, they asked for our input and continue to ask for it. Until they stop asking I'll keep telling them what I think, and I expect you to do the same.

I don't think adding jump is "Good for the game as a whole" So I will voice my opinion on it, I could care less what you think I'll argue my point as well as I can and if it's implemented so be it, I at least let them know what I thought of the idea instead of just twiddling my thumbs and didn't bother to let them know I don't agree with the choice.

You'd have to be pretty far up de' nile to still believe jump is not coming.

I guess I'll stay "Up de' nile" and wait untill the developers actually talk about a jump system, thing have changed a good deal from when Bayahone posted that. It still doesn't confirm jack all.

I guess I can go around spouting that the bestiary is in the works because Yoshida said he would "Look into it" Bay may very well have asked the dev team and got a thumbs up from them to say that, things are always changing in the dev process things are always being evaluated for implementation. As much as I trust and respect Bay I know that nothing is set in stone until we see it in the game.

I'll be waiting for it to appear in some patch notes before I "Confirm" it's release.

[Nabiri]

I hate games where people hop around like frogs everywhere they go. It's annoying and breaks immersion for me.
I would love to have swimming + swimming content.

Edit: Didn't think of that... "jump+ PVP" .. Why ruin a good thing? D:
I would like to do PVP. If people hop all over the place.. forget it.

[Uki]

I hate games where people hop around like frogs everywhere they go. It's annoying and breaks immersion for me.

Sadly, i understand what you mean,you guys just need to play Vindictus Online and you will see...

Returning to the thread,i don't know why some players say that the jump & swiming idea comes from other MMORGPS.
Uhm? Hello? Final Fantasy 10? that game had both? oh and yes, Final Fantasy 13 too(only jumping i think, i didnt played that trash).

I'm down if the add jumping system only if they use it to jump cliffs and such,and i'm down for the swiming system too if there's some new content in the FAAAR future.

Peace.

[Azurus]

I hate games where people hop around like frogs everywhere they go. It's annoying and breaks immersion for me.
I would love to have swimming + swimming content.

Edit: Didn't think of that... "jump+ PVP" .. Why ruin a good thing? D:
I would like to do PVP. If people hop all over the place.. forget it.

Getting stuck on stones and invisible walls breaks MY immersion...I find being rooted to the ground is quite annoying especially when you needs to go quite far out of your way to get down a very small drop that you could jump down even in real life. There really is no reason to not have jump. Anyone that says otherwise is just so scorned by whatever mmo they happened to play in the past that they dont want any system that remotely even reminds them of it...

[Jennestia]

There really is no reason to not have jump.

Much like a jump feature won't automatically solve anything, you still have to design the game to treat it as a form of movement and not just an animation (which the majority of MMOs out there treat it as.) The main thing is, jump is really a pointless addition compared to a lot more this game needs in the immediate future, so no not everyone is "scorned" by something, when you really look at this game..is jump really that important of a mechanic versus...everything else?

It's why it was stated if it were ever added it would be after map redesigns.

[Azurus]

Much like a jump feature won't automatically solve anything, you still have to design the game to treat it as a form of movement and not just an animation (which the majority of MMOs out there treat it as.) The main thing is, jump is really a pointless addition compared to a lot more this game needs in the immediate future, so no not everyone is "scorned" by something, when you really look at this game..is jump really that important of a mechanic versus...everything else?

It's why it was stated if it were ever added it would be after map redesigns.

I understand all that, my point is that down the road Jump really should be here after all the more important stuff because it really is ridiculous how out of the way you need to go to get down to some places in this game. My comment was more to the people saying that it breaks their immersion. I'm 100% in agreement that other stuff should come first and hopefully 2.0 will be designed with no invisible walls.

[Petori]

With jump, they could make zones more interesting rather than overly flat. As long as they don't make it a Super Mario map.

[vax]

They should add a gold chocobo like FFVII that fly instead of making us able to jump.

[whoopeeragon]

Copy pasted my response to jumping and swimming from another topic.

Having never played any major MMO apart from this (Ragarok Online, Runescape and Maplestory don't count, >.<) my experience with jumping around with other players in the vicinity is severely lacking. But, the ff games have had a good use of jumping and swimming in their games. Final Fantasy X comes to mind, with both swimming and jumping in the original and the sequel respectively. Final Fantasy XIII also did it pretty nicely with jumping as well.

So I kind of, for better gameplay, that jumping free-reign to not be implemented, even though I have nothing against it, but just to prevent those who dislike free-jumping. Instead, keep it to certAin areas where players are prompted to do so, such as on platforms or off a cliff or through steep terrain. Keep jumping for an ideal purpose; add it around certain land masses that would just look odd if you slid down the side of it, like some parts of Thanalan and La Noscea. That way, it won't be abused while still serving a purpose in gameplay. Those who just want eternal jumping can park their a*ses there and jump for all they want.

Alternatively, they could implement free jumping, but have it on a timer, as well as restricted in certain areas, such as cities, hamlets, camps etc. Will still have some degree of annoyance for those absolutely detest jumping, but it can be a compromise otherwise.

Another use for jumping I thought about was in combat, a manual form of dodging for certain skills that enemies use. There would probably also be a timer, to prevent abuse, but used this way it could have some pretty neat battles as well as strategies to be had. Of course, other limitations that the 'battle dodge' should have is that you are in active mode and are currently engaged with an enemy. But with some thought, it could certainly have some engaging battles.

Then we get swimming. I always thought the FFX swimming was a nice touch; it could be similarly brought here, used to trasverse unknown locations and explore the world more effectively. Limitations could include time spent under water, and taking damage after a certain exposure under water unless you come to the surface for 'air'. Other ones could be not able to change class (certainly not changing clothes underwater), type of armor you're wearing (fully plated person should NOT as fast as a person in a bikini) and your chocobo. I personally see swimming as a way for gatherers to shine a bit, harvesting fish, sea plants and oceanic minerals. There could also be underwater fights with certain monsters, which would provide a balance for those wearing full armor to those in a subligar. Certainly, underwater activities should not be a main, but it can definitely add for some engaging and fun content.

So all in all, it really depends on how it's implemented. I personally don't mind either way, but for those who are against and those who believe jumping is their true gift, its something to think about; the word compromise.