Are Summoners evil?

[Uriel_Kross]

So they did tease Rumah in the story but explained that we did not have the aether to summon him. However according to the lore when we use Deadwyrm Trance we are summoning Bahmut however since we cannot maintain his physical form we are channeling him through our bodies.

[Aryalandi]

Basically there are four forms of summoning so far
There is primal summoning which is what the ascians taught to the beast tribes to create havok, this is the destructive form of summoning the warrior of light fights against

There is egi summoning which we do by pulling the aether that rubbed off on us during primal fights out of ourselves in an elementally attuned area and giving it shape using formulas, this being limited by how much aether one person can hold, the reason we cannot summon a new egi is because we are already at our limit due to absorbing ifrit, titan, and garuda's aether thus there wasn't room for more. These egi's draw off of our aether and what they already have contained in themselves.

There is the summoning that the ascians use to bring out voidsent to fight for them.

And there is channeling a primal through yourself using the power of the echo, Lady Iceheart uses this to become Shiva, we use a more limited version of it to go in to dreadwyrm trance which is why we summon parts of bahamut that form over us temporarily, basically the dreadwyrm trance is the closest we have come to
"true summoning" as we are effectively being temporarily possessed by bahamut to do his moves just like Iceheart becomes temporarily possessed by Shiva.

It's possible that there are other ways of summoning primals that would be less harmful but we don't know about them yet since all we have seen are the ascians methods.

[OokamiSora]

Nuu, Summoners are not evil D:

[Scarletashe]

Only if they're Lalafells. Something that cute can't be trusted.

[EnoraTaqa]

I found it amusing and infuriating that they basically trolled us with the Ramuh-Egi on our class quest.



They are working on Egi glamours, last I heard. Don't know how high of a priority it is for their development team, however.

Since 2.0 they have been working on Egis... and forward to now, they are.. still working on them lol (yeah right)

Would be awesome: Shiva's Ice skill, Ramuh Lightning etc.. to have all Egi's from primals, it's what a Summoner should get, since we beat them..

I doubt that we'll see the light of that, sadly.

They are more concerned with how your glamour set will not cut your long hair.. (QoL issue I guess..)

They disappoint me with their choice of priorities in this game since 2.0 (was soo excited, everything was cool... but every good things have an end it seems T_T )

[Evangela]

That's why my daggers always fly to their neck as soon as I see them in Frontline.

[Bracken]

We are evil. But true evil is a lalafel smn. Or that one lala whm who just laughs hysterically as your pummelled into oblivion.
With all these minions coming around I'm hoping we can infuse the power of the egi into a catalyst I.E the minions like we can hammer souls into weapons

[Felis]

Also, an egi is summoned using the SMN's own aether, not the land's (Hydaelyn's), so Hydaelyn Herself is not damaged by SMNs summoning Egis, only summoning Primals or other aetheric 'entities'. This is also the reason why we don't yet have egi versions of Ramuh, Shiva, Leviathan or other Primals - we simply lack enough aether in our body to sustain such egis at this time. It's definitely possible in the future though....

We could use the light crystals as a power sources, but it will kill us after the power run out.

[Alberel]

Also, an egi is summoned using the SMN's own aether, not the land's (Hydaelyn's), so Hydaelyn Herself is not damaged by SMNs summoning Egis, only summoning Primals or other aetheric 'entities'. This is also the reason why we don't yet have egi versions of Ramuh, Shiva, Leviathan or other Primals - we simply lack enough aether in our body to sustain such egis at this time. It's definitely possible in the future though....

I know it's just a bit of lore-based reasoning to excuse the fact that SE didn't want to give us more pets, but I still don't see how this actually makes any sense. What makes Ramuh, Leviathan and Shiva inherently more aether-intensive to summon? From what we've seen so far a primal's strength is dictated by the amount of aether they are summoned with and subsequently consume. If we have enough aether to summon Ifrit, Titan and Garuda then we have enough to summon ANY egi, it would just be equal in strength to the three we can already manage.

I got really annoyed by that troll quest for Ramuh-egi.

[RyuRoots]

I know it's just a bit of lore-based reasoning to excuse the fact that SE didn't want to give us more pets, but I still don't see how this actually makes any sense. What makes Ramuh, Leviathan and Shiva inherently more aether-intensive to summon? From what we've seen so far a primal's strength is dictated by the amount of aether they are summoned with and subsequently consume. If we have enough aether to summon Ifrit, Titan and Garuda then we have enough to summon ANY egi, it would just be equal in strength to the three we can already manage.

I got really annoyed by that troll quest for Ramuh-egi.

Because the effect is cumulative. The ability to summon any of those three egis at will means you have those aether reserves and signatures with you at all times. You can't multiply that by an indefinite amount. Thus, Dreadwyrm Trance.

As a sidenote, I find it THOROUGHLY predictable, but am still disappointed that so many people think SE was "trolling us" with the Ramuh-egi thing. It was an explanation to address something the community had made a point of. If you don't like it, that's all well and good but active maliciousness on the part of the devs is stretching quite a bit.