Cleric Stance

[Ophie-Mio]

You can! Just meld accuracy materia.

Once again, who would even seriously do that? That's like asking any other person to meld a normally useless stat on their gear for the off times that they use it? Tell any other dps to meld a stat that they would normally pass up and it'll earn you the same response. Laughter. In your face. You've literally added nothing to the conversation about this.

[mp-please]

Yeah i do quite enjoy casting gravity as astrologian and seeing "miss" flash across my screen for 3 out of the 5 enemies. Got asked during a dungeon why i wasn't helping to DPS, and i simply responded that it was a waste of mana if every other hit is going to miss.

And seeing how this new raid and trial where every 2-3 seconds there seems to be burst damage, it seems as though SE doesn't want healers ever dpsing again.

The hit rate is still above 85%, the misses are just a lot more constant because we went from a 95% to 85% hit rate so its a lot more noticeable mainly on aoe.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Healers have been melding accuracy to DPS since way back in 2.X times. SE hasn't taken a stance one way or the other concerning healer's DPS, afaik, but they've added slots to meld materia to raid gear. A sensible person would realize that's probably SE's way of saying, 'You want to DPS? Meld materia.' Also... off times they use it? I'm the one laughing here. Everyone and their pet DPS's in all content, at least 75% of the time. That's a damn sight more than 'a little off time'.

Once again, who would even seriously do that? That's like asking any other person to meld a normally useless stat on their gear for the off times that they use it? Tell any other dps to meld a stat that they would normally pass up and it'll earn you the same response. Laughter. In your face. You've literally added nothing to the conversation about this.

ETA: Pretty much any healer that's serious about progressing through Savage, either in the present or back in the 2.X series, has melded accuracy in order to help push the progression edge. The reason? Because it actually works to push content the DPS are undergeared to actually clear. It was really common practice to meld accuracy, especially on Scholar's, and several statics I heard of forced the scholar to meld accuracy to help meet checks.

[Kimimoto]

Alright, this is absolutely needed. There's no downside to this change in any way. It wouldn't force you to DPS, it would just give great players the means to be better.

Also if any healer melds accuracy to their new raiding gear, they're bad and their opinion on this matter shouldn't be taken seriously. That is literally the worst possible thing you could meld.

[Ghishlain]

Once again, who would even seriously do that? That's like asking any other person to meld a normally useless stat on their gear for the off times that they use it? Tell any other dps to meld a stat that they would normally pass up and it'll earn you the same response. Laughter. In your face. You've literally added nothing to the conversation about this.

If you look at this thread on the healer forum - there are eight unique posters and five of them have either done accuracy or thinking about doing accuracy. If you ignore the one joke post, that's a 71% response of people in favour of melding Accuracy.

You can add me to that list too, as I will be melding ACC on my pieces and I've done it in the past for raiding on two Zetas.

While the above is a small sample, there are a lot of people who are seriously melding accuracy on the healer gear for one reason or another.

[BubblyBoar]

Why are their mechanics where Healers have to DPS if they don't want us to? Why are healers the only class forced into melding one stat?

[Fynlar]

Also if any healer melds accuracy to their new raiding gear, they're bad and their opinion on this matter shouldn't be taken seriously. That is literally the worst possible thing you could meld.

lol

/10char

[Eul]

Once again, who would even seriously do that? That's like asking any other person to meld a normally useless stat on their gear for the off times that they use it? Tell any other dps to meld a stat that they would normally pass up and it'll earn you the same response. Laughter. In your face. You've literally added nothing to the conversation about this.

Fact is, my fellow healer on my server melded their gear and crafted gear with accuracy until cap to 100% hit.

[Noxifer]

that's a 71% response of people in favour of melding Accuracy.

The question shouldn't really be "who would seriously do that?", though. It should be "why would we seriously feel forced to do that?" =/

Like has been mentioned, we don't even have enough accuracy for Coil. As in the first Coil tiers. And that's at level 60. There's a reason I as scholar stuck with my level 50 i130 gear for as long as possible. Comparing my Accuracy at level 57, I'd gone down somewhere around 100 in accuracy from level 50 ;_; (Mostly due to my Acc/Crit-melded relic, but...)

In my eyes, it's similar to tanks 'gimping' their ilvl by wearing lower-ilvl pentamelded accessories because they're more effective than the latest tomestone/raid accessories. SE saw fit to 'fix' this by removing the possibility to meld STR/VIT on anything but the first meld slot, and by changing the damage main stat (but pentamelds are still more valid -- you just can't make those anymore).
Except... in the case of healer Accuracy, they 'fixed' it by removing all accuracy from their gear, while the accuracy requirements have kept on rising from what they were at level 50. So, the way I see it, they could have kept the same accuracy/ilvl as they did for lvl50 gear (so lvl 51 i120 would have had the same accuracy as lvl 50 i120, etc). If it had gone up at the same rate as it did, and comparing it to how other stats have gone up, I'd expect the numbers to be around ~15 accuracy per piece (not done the math, though). Would that really be so... game-breaking? When DPS/tank gear have ~30-50 accuracy on their pieces or more? (I really should look up exact numbers and compare them. It'd be interesting to see, actually.)

Same with adding Accuracy to Cleric Stance. Yes, it's more comparable to Sword Oath and other "off-tank" stances in that it's used when you're not fulfilling your main duties (healing/tanking, respectively), but on the other hand it's comparable to tank stances in the sense that they're used when you're in a position of needing more Accuracy than you otherwise would. (I.e. an off tank isn't supposed to be in front of the boss, and thus only needs the same amount of accuracy as melee dps do. A CS healer isn't supposed to heal people, and thus doesn't benefit from the 100% healing accuracy.) Same as adding accuracy to tank stances didn't 'break' the game, because it allowed tanks to stop chasing accuracy all the time, adding an accuracy bonus to CS wouldn't break the game either.

(All in my opinion. YMMV.)

[Mycow8me]

The community has spoken, healers should be stance dancing and DPSing when possible. Even in the Tank threads about the nerf, there were healers supposedly saying they would have more time to DPS cause tanks wont be squishy anymore with their fending jewelry.

Well I'm all for this. Increase their accuracy and let them continue to stand there anyway DPS.