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    Agreed. Otherwise, stop giving new abilities post 50 that are solely for DMG (Broil, Stone 3, Aero 3..etc); if you keep giving new dmg abilities, you're implying that there's a dmg factor into the class/job. Then you have to choose to be either good at your heals or good at your landing your spells. 30% flat miss chance is bs.
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    It'd be a nice change, but it really wouldn't change much. The only reason for a healer to DPS is to carry bad DPS, whether it's because they don't have the gear or they don't have the rotation down. I still think cleric should be nerfed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    It'd be a nice change, but it really wouldn't change much. The only reason for a healer to DPS is to carry bad DPS, whether it's because they don't have the gear or they don't have the rotation down. I still think cleric should be nerfed...
    This is an extremely silly thing to say.

    At times can a healer help carry bad dps? Sure

    But the ONLY reason for a healer to dps...no...just no
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    Been surprised accuracy is still even a thing in FF14. No on actually likes the accuracy stat. We only take it because we have to, and considering we have to meet an item level requirement to do duties anyway. What's the point? I've been happy with not having to balance accuracy on my healer gear, but now it's simply disappointing whenever I miss. As more content comes out our chance to hit probably goes down too.
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    Giving healers 100% accuracy in Cleric Stance would leave the DPS and tanks rather perplexed as to why the stat even exists any more. You can't give a healer a free stat cap to facilitate damage that the other jobs don't get when it isn't even their role.

    Damage from healers is a bonus. If you want to maximize your damage output then by all means sacrifice your healing output to meld accuracy on your gear. If SE gave healers accuracy on Cleric Stance expect to see the damage bonus from Cleric Stance removed to compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    Giving healers 100% accuracy in Cleric Stance would leave the DPS and tanks rather perplexed as to why the stat even exists any more. You can't give a healer a free stat cap to facilitate damage that the other jobs don't get when it isn't even their role.

    Damage from healers is a bonus. If you want to maximize your damage output then by all means sacrifice your healing output to meld accuracy on your gear. If SE gave healers accuracy on Cleric Stance expect to see the damage bonus from Cleric Stance removed to compensate.
    Why would you meld accuracy when you can meld Crit Chance and get both?

    Healers will never catch up with Tanks and DPS in DPS no matter what they give them. If they do, your very bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Why would you meld accuracy when you can meld Crit Chance and get both?

    Healers will never catch up with Tanks and DPS in DPS no matter what they give them. If they do, your very bad.
    It's not about them catching up. It's about healers basically getting special treatment by being allowed to ignore the accuracy stat. It would also act as a confirmation by SE that healers are meant to be doing DPS, when to date they have left that up to the players. Healer DPS is meant to be an optional bonus and it is kept in check by their inability to hit reliably.

    SE just nerfed tanks because they genuinely WERE catching up as a result of an unchecked tank DPS meta. If healers were given 100% accuracy we would see a healer DPS meta start evolving. It wouldn't be long before SE would nerf them into the ground as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    It's not about them catching up. It's about healers basically getting special treatment by being allowed to ignore the accuracy stat. It would also act as a confirmation by SE that healers are meant to be doing DPS, when to date they have left that up to the players. Healer DPS is meant to be an optional bonus and it is kept in check by their inability to hit reliably.

    SE just nerfed tanks because they genuinely WERE catching up as a result of an unchecked tank DPS meta. If healers were given 100% accuracy we would see a healer DPS meta start evolving. It wouldn't be long before SE would nerf them into the ground as well.
    Would you be against acc on weps like someone else originally suggested but also gear? I honestly think it'd be less work to do something with cleric but we just need accuracy in general. :/

    (No, I don't like the idea of accuracy melds on healer gear because those melds can be used to actually help stats that affect healing.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillia View Post
    Would you be against acc on weps like someone else originally suggested but also gear? I honestly think it'd be less work to do something with cleric but we just need accuracy in general. :/

    (No, I don't like the idea of accuracy melds on healer gear because those melds can be used to actually help stats that affect healing.)
    On weapons is fine as we already have a precedent for that with other jobs. SE did give healers accuracy on their equipment before though and chose to remove it. I'm not opposed to healers having options to improve their accuracy but it needs to be done in a way that they work towards it like every other job does. I'd still be wary of a healer DPS power creep though. If healers gained dramatically better accuracy their overall DPS would also go up a lot, which would require SE to compensate in some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    It's not about them catching up. It's about healers basically getting special treatment by being allowed to ignore the accuracy stat. It would also act as a confirmation by SE that healers are meant to be doing DPS, when to date they have left that up to the players. Healer DPS is meant to be an optional bonus and it is kept in check by their inability to hit reliably.

    SE just nerfed tanks because they genuinely WERE catching up as a result of an unchecked tank DPS meta. If healers were given 100% accuracy we would see a healer DPS meta start evolving. It wouldn't be long before SE would nerf them into the ground as well.
    Sorry but in the new hall of the novice it says that when there's nothing else to do Healers can DPS. So yes, SE expects Healers to DPS if there is nothing else to do.
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