id like to see cross class skills removed/changed for next expansion

[ErikMynhier]

So a few classes have Conjurer for cross-class, all of which get "Cleric Stance" except PLD. I understand why we don't get it, we have no use for it, but I would be lying if I said I didn't want another skill to make up for the one we miss out on.

If I could change one thing about the cross-class system, the only thing I would change, is instead of CS we got Esuna to help us be tank-support. I don't care for DPS but I love utility. I would love Esuna for OTing and solo utility.

As per the topic I think the current system is good. Someone put it best saying it forces you to experience the other classes. In the case of PLD that time you spend leveling Conjurer gives you a perspective you may not have gotten otherwise and makes you a kinder tank to healers.

[Kosmos992k]

So a few classes have Conjurer for cross-class, all of which get "Cleric Stance" except PLD. I understand why we don't get it, we have no use for it, but I would be lying if I said I didn't want another skill to make up for the one we miss out on.

If I could change one thing about the cross-class system, the only thing I would change, is instead of CS we got Esuna to help us be tank-support. I don't care for DPS but I love utility. I would love Esuna for OTing and solo utility.

As per the topic I think the current system is good. Someone put it best saying it forces you to experience the other classes. In the case of PLD that time you spend leveling Conjurer gives you a perspective you may not have gotten otherwise and makes you a kinder tank to healers.

Speaking as PLD...how about a trait to make cure worthwhile, and another to give a reason to include Raise in your selection (battle raise, raise on it's own is near pointless). Generally speaking, I think that cross class skills need to be revisited. There are numerous cross skills that are not even mere shadows of the original when used by someone else, and others that are identical to the original. For example Stoneskin is the same when PLD casts it as it is for WHM, by comparison other skills are so weak, there is no point including them. For example Skull Sunder, and Fracture, which theory crafters have calculated to be an actual dps loss when used, so it's actually in effect a penalty skill against us. This is ridiculous, and most, if not all, jobs have this issue, some more than others. Fix that, and you make the skill selection worthwhile, and allow us to build an individual flavor within a job..

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Speaking as PLD...how about a trait to make cure worthwhile, and another to give a reason to include Raise in your selection (battle raise, raise on it's own is near pointless). Generally speaking, I think that cross class skills need to be revisited. There are numerous cross skills that are not even mere shadows of the original when used by someone else, and others that are identical to the original. For example Stoneskin is the same when PLD casts it as it is for WHM, by comparison other skills are so weak, there is no point including them. For example Skull Sunder, and Fracture, which theory crafters have calculated to be an actual dps loss when used, so it's actually in effect a penalty skill against us. This is ridiculous, and most, if not all, jobs have this issue, some more than others. Fix that, and you make the skill selection worthwhile, and allow us to build an individual flavor within a job..

There is a trait, its called Clemency. It out heals the healer's basic heal.

I think what they need to do is remove skill restrictions to encourage people to level.

[Kosmos992k]

There is a trait, its called Clemency. It out heals the healer's basic heal.

I think what they need to do is remove skill restrictions to encourage people to level.

That's a skill, not a trait, and it does absolutely nothing for PLD until they hit level 58, which restricts it's use somewhat or did you forget thatthere are players who are not level 60? ...not to mention that this topic is about cross class skills and I was using PLD to illustrate a point that goes beyond cure. But, hey, you go right ahead and ignore the point.

I think what they should do is make things more useful so there is a choice to be made, otherwise it's the usual illusion of choice that is not a choice because certain cross skills ar more or less mandatory and the rest are pointless wastes of time. They should all be viable to be used, so that they are all part of the choices a player can make.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

That's a skill, not a trait, and it does absolutely nothing for PLD until they hit level 58, which restricts it's use somewhat or did you forget thatthere are players who are not level 60? ...not to mention that this topic is about cross class skills and I was using PLD to illustrate a point that goes beyond cure. But, hey, you go right ahead and ignore the point.

I think what they should do is make things more useful so there is a choice to be made, otherwise it's the usual illusion of choice that is not a choice because certain cross skills ar more or less mandatory and the rest are pointless wastes of time. They should all be viable to be used, so that they are all part of the choices a player can make.

I wouldn't know, I have multiple level 60 characters. Leveling in so grindy though in this game.

[Kosmos992k]

I wouldn't know, I have multiple level 60 characters. Leveling in so grindy though in this game.

Wow, you're so skilled and special. I guess the rarified air at your level makes it hard to understand not everyone is like you.

Also, you want more cross skills, so why are you so negative about what I said? I think your logic is in error.