Enmity changes needed for PvP:

[Nektulos-Tuor]

In Log Horizon, there are moves which make taunts in PvP very effective, this type of thing can also be seen in SWTOR as well.

If you do "not" attack the taunted target in Log Horizon, you are immediately damaged each time you do not target the tank, also it forces you to target the tank at the start.

So for example, I think "Provoke" needs to function like this:

Provoke:
Forces you to target the tank for 1 second. Each attack made against targets "other then you." are retaliated dealing 150 potency in physical damage to the target. This effect lasts 40 seconds. Provoke should be "ATTACK ME, IF YOU DON'T YOUR GONNA GET HURT!"
(note: the tank would be bright red or have a line indicating hes provoking you.)

Bodyguard:
A tank skill which all tanks in PvP should get, which absorbs 30% of all the damage the target takes and raises the targets damage reduction by 5%. This effect has a short range and makes a "chain" between the targets and the target being body gaurded. So you know that the tank is absorbing that targets damage.

Enmity attacks, or attanks in tank stance:
Enmity attacks should lower damage against targets other then you by 25% for 1.5 seconds per enmity attack, all attacks in a Tank Stance are enmity attacks. Each hit refreshes the duration back to 1.5 seconds so the tank must be constantly attacking to maintain this effect.

This would give tanks a viable role in damage reduction for PvP and would also make use of all the defensive abilities tanks are meant to have. Tanks have had their damage cut by a big chunk and have no real role in PvP right now.


A tanks role is to protect their group and be the "first" ones to die, however with current threat mechanics this only works in PvE and doesn't translate well at all in PvP. They are the "last" ones to die because they are the weakest of the group, healers right now forfill the Tanks role.

[Dimitrii]

Having someone else dictate who you can attack is always fun. God forbid you don't notice which of the dozen tanks in frontlines provoked you too, that'll be fun trying to figure out who it was.

[MinhSa]

Yeah with the huge reduction of damage they should add some emnity type abilities for tanks, it'll add lots of depth and really define how a tank should play in PvP. If we don't get these kinds of abilities, we're just weaker but harder to kill DPS with a couple support PvP abilities.

[TheRogueX]

Having someone else dictate who you can attack is always fun. God forbid you don't notice which of the dozen tanks in frontlines provoked you too, that'll be fun trying to figure out who it was.

OK then, every other class needs to lose some integral part of their role in order to make it fair, such as Ninjutsu for Ninjas, Summons for Summoners and Scholars, etc.

[Dyvid]

I think FFXI had this where provoke would make the player lock onto the tank for a few seconds.

[Serilda]

OK then, every other class needs to lose some integral part of their role in order to make it fair, such as Ninjutsu for Ninjas, Summons for Summoners and Scholars, etc.

Cleric Stance says hi! Some abilities are PVE-centric, some are PVP-centric. The jobs aren't terrifically well balanced against one another in every situation (or in any situation, in a few cases). That's just how it is. I play healer in PVP and I never asked to be a tank, but I guess the enemy team often has a different idea of my job's role and that's often what ends up happening.

I'm sure we'll see more proactive balancing once The Feast gets going which might address some points, but I don't want this game's PVP to degenerate into the crowd control and rebalancing chaos that a certain other popular MMORPG's PVP arenas had right before I ended my subscription to that game.

[nickx]

but I don't want this game's PVP to degenerate into the crowd control and rebalancing chaos that a certain other popular MMORPG's PVP arenas had right before I ended my subscription to that game.

Don't lie, I bet you miss the triple sheep, into triple cyclone, into blind, into kidney shot, into sap. :P

[Serilda]

Don't lie, I bet you miss the triple sheep, into triple cyclone, into blind, into kidney shot, into sap. :P

How on earth did you know? Respeccing and changing my gameplay style completely every single patch was also great fun just so that I could sit in arena matches and watch my friends playing while I stood still. I was originally shadow too, so...

I'm generally not a fan of any game design decisions which take control away from the player. It sounds as though they're addressing tank usefulness in The Feast and I still enjoy having one on my team in FL, whereas giving them (a second?) Cover, even more ways to crush jobs weak against melee already and a gigantic buff to a free ability which capitalises on the difficulties of targeting and coordinating in 72-man doesn't sound all that fun. Imagine if I use Assize after someone randomly throws a Provoke on me and runs away - I'd probably instantly die. And I know SMN is in a good place right now but imagine how awful their lives would become overnight.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Having someone else dictate who you can attack is always fun. God forbid you don't notice which of the dozen tanks in frontlines provoked you too, that'll be fun trying to figure out who it was.

A chain would go from the tank to you.

or a red line, something indicating you've been provoked.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I think FFXI had this where provoke would make the player lock onto the tank for a few seconds.

Then be ignored for 37 seconds?

In EQ2 as a Berserker I could keep an entire raid attacking me every minute, and permalock a target onto me.