Please give us more emnity

[Sida]

I think people are trying to advice you about the relative effect because this thread is about tank enmity gain and changes in it. Since enmity gain is only relevant in relation to other party and their performance (not in soloing), they assume you mean your comment in relation to the subject of the thread, which is relative numbers.

[konpachizaraki]

i don't have problem most of the time
but yeah it is harder to hold aggro now if you compared it with 3.1 tank with full STR
the aggro enhancement for tank stance isn't as strong as aggro generated from full STR tank in 3.1 IMO

[KrenianKandos]

My two cents:

Initially, I felt like something happened to Emnity and DRK with the change from STR to VIT. I was a bit frustrated because people who never really were able to pull off of me were ripping it to shreds and grabbing aggro.

What I had to do is rethink my opening and begin using a bit more of a rotation that was threat intensive and less damage intensive. S-E wants us to be tanks and give the damage portion to the DPS and sometimes healer, so at this point, I am just going with the flow. Also, having a 200 weapon didn't help. The 210 gave me a bit of a boost so there is that.

What I will suggest is that you start focusing more on a threat centric rotation instead of a damage centric rotation. What kinda sucks is that our mana regeneration combo is our damage centric rotation but such is life.

But have fun trying to keep up with a Paladin right now. My PLD that had 200 ILVL was ripping it off of me like no tomorrow as an OT by using Royal Authority, and that's based on the face that they use an Emnity linked combo in Savage Blade -> Royal Authority. It makes for tedious tanking with a PLD.

That would be my question to everyone: Since the buffs to PLD, has anyone been having issues with a Paladin OT using their DPS rotation Goring/RA ripping threat? I feel that I now have to throw in a lot more PS combos now.

[Astrelle_hyperion]

I was in VA last night i218 PLD w/ 210 weapon. Doing pure GB/ra/ra rotation as OT while under geared PLD/war fought over MT. Didn't seem to cause them trouble ( they were doing that themselves )
Got to 13% on the A8s dummy in case that means anything to you in terms of dps using the same gear/rotation.

Now if the other two tracks weren't fighting over MT, and we're and to do fewer aggro combos, maybe ib would have encroached on hate. Hard to tell.

[KrenianKandos]

I was in VA last night i218 PLD w/ 210 weapon. Doing pure GB/ra/ra rotation as OT while under geared PLD/war fought over MT. Didn't seem to cause them trouble ( they were doing that themselves )
Got to 13% on the A8s dummy in case that means anything to you in terms of dps using the same gear/rotation.

Now if the other two tracks weren't fighting over MT, and we're and to do fewer aggro combos, maybe ib would have encroached on hate. Hard to tell.

Hard to say; it's hard for me to know what kind of a rotation my PLD OT was running with as he told me he was simply doing GB/RA/RA as well. The spike to Savage Blade is what concerns me in your RA rotation.

Maybe it was just me getting used to the 3.2 rotation, but I'm using PS a whole lot more which is making me have mana issues from time to time. It's a change of the current meta that was go PS for a bit, then switch to DASE out of Grit but at this point, I'm very hesitant of ever leaving Grit anymore. I used to feel comfortable going Gritless for bosses. Not so much anymore, mostly due to the damage + my worries about threat.

It's a change in perception and gameplay, for sure.

[MagiusNecros]

If you really need more enmity generation maybe we should change DA Power Slash from the weak 6.5 enmity multiplier to a flat out you are at the top of the enemy list while doing damage at the same time meaning an auto top aggro weapon skill.

Basically on demand provoke that costs MP locked behind a 3 GCD combo. Which would provide supreme OT utility in the sheer fact you can pull anything off of anything at any time. And do 300 potency while doing so.

My idea's are horrible by the way.

[Soulbrandt]

I just stick with the fact that enmity, hate, and threat is absolutely horrible game design. WoW finally modernized Threat properly, but other than that, it's a shit system and needs to be removed. And I say this as a Tank main.

[Sarcatica]

I was in VA last night i218 PLD w/ 210 weapon.
Got to 13% on the A8s dummy in case that means anything to you in terms of dps using the same gear/rotation.

You can do better than that number for sure.

Doing pure GB/ra/ra rotation as OT while under geared PLD/war fought over MT. Didn't seem to cause them trouble

Easy enough to MT with full tank stance uptime, aka <30% enmity bar all day long.

[Sarcatica]

My two cents:

Initially, I felt like something happened to Emnity and DRK with the change from STR to VIT. I was a bit frustrated because people who never really were able to pull off of me were ripping it to shreds and grabbing aggro.

But have fun trying to keep up with a Paladin right now. My PLD that had 200 ILVL was ripping it off of me like no tomorrow as an OT by using Royal Authority, and that's based on the face that they use an Emnity linked combo in Savage Blade -> Royal Authority.

That would be my question to everyone: Since the buffs to PLD, has anyone been having issues with a Paladin OT using their DPS rotation Goring/RA ripping threat? I feel that I now have to throw in a lot more PS combos now.

You on grit or something? OT will never be able to rip threat at all. Unless if they are on tank stance and spam their BB combo+berserk (if WAR) or RoH combo+FoF (if PLD), there is literally no reason to get outaggro-ed.

[KrenianKandos]

You on grit or something? OT will never be able to rip threat at all. Unless if they are on tank stance and spam their BB combo+berserk (if WAR) or RoH combo+FoF (if PLD), there is literally no reason to get outaggro-ed.

Couldn't tell you why it happened. I never had threat issues previously until 3.2. When 3.2 came in, either my PLD tank wasn't telling me the absolute truth about only using GB/RA/RA combos or the increase of Emnity that SB got is mucking up with the RA rotations so much that it's causing threat.

Initially I would do as many of us do: PS then go DASE when mana was agreeable. With him as an OT, it was a bit more challenging to only live off DASE or DE...I would have to do a PS/DASE/DE rotation to commit to having the debuff up, get my damage up to par and keep threat against him.

In a way, maybe I can chalk it up to either him not telling me he's actually using RoH for rotation, but I'd like to think people don't BS me when I ask them questions about that kind of stuff; we all know each other pretty well and are good friends so we wouldn't be lying to ourselves cause we're mucking up.

Then again, people are weird, so who knows.

Maybe I could chalk it up to simply having a 200 weapon at that point and he had the same and I had rust because I wasn't really playing my tank for a month or so. I seem to be able to be a bit more solid in my threat now that I've upgraded to 210 and modified my threat rotation.