Please give us more emnity

[Ashkendor]

It's pretty clear that they don't want us doing one hate combo then tanking the rest of the fight out of tank stance.

Enmity's fine if you just adjust your play. *shrug*

For me they took the warrior and smashed him into the trash can <3
I've started to play warrior at heavensward, and i like this way of tanking. Full damage was fucking awesome. But now the changes were too big. It's not the same anymore. And the selfheal is just crap >.>

Anyone else find it hilarious that the majority of the whining about the tank damage nerfs (and the impact it had on weakening self-heals) has been coming from from warriors? It's funny to me because they're still far and away the strongest tank class.

[Arg0n]

Anyone else find it hilarious that the majority of the whining about the tank damage nerfs (and the impact it had on weakening self-heals) has been coming from from warriors? It's funny to me because they're still far and away the strongest tank class.

Ohh no sorry, i love it that they took us a lot of damage. I think it should be reduced more, cause low damage is fuckin awesome lol. Like is said, this way of tanking was really different to other patches / other games. And it was really cool!

I think tanks pre heavensward are quite happy now, cause it's a bit more tanking than do massive damage.
But like is said, i've started at HW and loved this way till patch 3.2. It's sad that it is not possible to choose anymore.
Everyone has a different opinion, like everytime if something big changes. there was the same at this bard "cast stance" for an example

But it doesnt matter anyway now.

Emnity is a a bit close, but yeah it is possible to tank everything. But only in Tankstance. xD

[Edewen]

All of these enmity complaint threads simply strike me as tanks who are trying to tank in their dps stance. It is a tank stance for a reason, you should be using it while tanking. Period. That is your primary job.

The addition of DRKs brought a heavy influx of people to the tank job. Many were upset that DRK wasn't made into a dps. The meta up to now has allowed them to play like a dps promoting the mindset that tanks are simply a dps that stands in front of the boss. Now that the meta has changed, the dpsers who were "tanking" are going through culture shock. Meanwhile, the people who came from other games, who understand what tanking is traditionally, are bathing in the salty tears.

To sum it up, git gud, tanks are for tanking. Otherwise, Monk/Nin/DRG are that way ------------------------------------------------------->

[Blackheart]

All of these enmity complaint threads simply strike me as tanks who are trying to tank in their dps stance. It is a tank stance for a reason, you should be using it while tanking. Period. That is your primary job.

The addition of DRKs brought a heavy influx of people to the tank job. Many were upset that DRK wasn't made into a dps. The meta up to now has allowed them to play like a dps promoting the mindset that tanks are simply a dps that stands in front of the boss. Now that the meta has changed, the dpsers who were "tanking" are going through culture shock. Meanwhile, the people who came from other games, who understand what tanking is traditionally, are bathing in the salty tears.

i think most of the drk complaints are from them having no utility as an OT, but i may be wrong in that (and wouldn't be surprised either).

[Reynhart]

Emnity is a a bit close, but yeah it is possible to tank everything. But only in Tankstance. xD

Which does make sense, no ?
We can say anything about how WAR is not supposed to do high damage "because it's a tank", but actually, tanking out of tank stance is what is not supposed to happen.

[NFaelivrin]

All of these enmity complaint threads simply strike me as tanks who are trying to tank in their dps stance. It is a tank stance for a reason, you should be using it while tanking. Period. That is your primary job.

The addition of DRKs brought a heavy influx of people to the tank job. Many were upset that DRK wasn't made into a dps. The meta up to now has allowed them to play like a dps promoting the mindset that tanks are simply a dps that stands in front of the boss. Now that the meta has changed, the dpsers who were "tanking" are going through culture shock. Meanwhile, the people who came from other games, who understand what tanking is traditionally, are bathing in the salty tears.

To sum it up, git gud, tanks are for tanking. Otherwise, Monk/Nin/DRG are that way ------------------------------------------------------->

"Stay in tank stance forever" might be the most "I have absolutely never pushed progression content as a tank, ever" opinion. Stance dancing is one of the things that give tanks a skill ceiling, it's a risk-reward scenario and saying that you should stay in Shield Oath, doing 4 dps through every single fight tells me you really must hate the concept of "fun".

DPS stance tanking wasn't invented by your made-up strawman group of "DPS wannabe DRKs", it was an optimization designed in response to heavily scripted raids with massive lulls in tank damage between scripted tankbusters.

Designed not by some ridiculous made-up group of noobs who need to "git gud" and don't understand that their JOB is to stay in Shield Oath until the universe's heat death, it was designed by world first progression groups looking to tackle the hardest content in the game, who understood the nature of outgoing damage during these boss fights, and who understood that staying in tank stance for eternity was an active detriment to their progression. These people don't need to "git gud", these people are already better players than you or me.

The meta has changed? Hahaha, nope, even if you halvened tank DPS from 3.0 norms you'd find that 500 DPS trumps 400, and unless they make raids where tank damage isn't completely predictable or disable DPS stances altogether you'll find that good tanks will always calculate risk and reward and try to maximize their DPS output because its ultimately good for the entire party. The very scripted nature of these fights and the massive lulls in outgoing damage that often happen at points in them is also what allowed the healer DPS meta to arise, yet another optimization that the best players in the game came up with that people have a bizarre gut reaction to because "its a healer! not a DPS!!!".

[HoodRat]

Anyone else find it hilarious that the majority of the whining about the tank damage nerfs (and the impact it had on weakening self-heals) has been coming from from warriors?

I think the biggest laugh I got from the while nerf thing was from Valkyrie-Amber trying to praise SE for hearing her prayers to make pld valiable (by nerfing war) when the end result is pld and drk getting hit harder than war since war can still tank in dps stance, albeit not as effectively as before the nerf.

[Legion88]

Stance dancing is one of the things that give tanks a skill ceiling, it's a risk-reward scenario...

And it works well. The ceiling rose a little bit with the last patch but it is possible.
The most complains seems like "i can't tank in dps stance/without tank stance all the time".
Most tanks didn't realize that stance dancing means more like "Oh, i can get rid of tank stance for the rest of the fight".
Now it is more like dancing with the stances and change them depending on the situation, enmity and mechanics.
Give the people the time to realize that and adjust, the lazy will stay in tank stance forever, the bad will never adjust/leave and the good tanks will learn to dance properly.

The time of tanks in tank stance just for the opener or the pull are gone.

Now is the era of the stance dancing tanks!

[Kosmos992k]

You're not supposed to pick up the slack in the first place - Any damage you do above the average should be a bonus to the fight.

Indeed.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Tank and healer, especially tank DPS, is a bonus? It's meant to be the extra icing on the side of the cake, and now it is.

Anyone else find it hilarious that the majority of the whining about the tank damage nerfs (and the impact it had on weakening self-heals) has been coming from from warriors? It's funny to me because they're still far and away the strongest tank class.

Yes. It's like people think Warrior was meant to be a support damage dealer like Bard, instead of a tank. Warrior is the tank with the most DPS, as it should be. But it's no longer the damage dealer with the most tankiness, which it was never supposed to be. I believe that honor may fall upon the LOLDRG.

Most tanks didn't realize that stance dancing means more like "Oh, i can get rid of tank stance for the rest of the fight".
Now it is more like dancing with the stances and change them depending on the situation, enmity and mechanics.

Indeed.

But for some it's like;
You mean....tanks have to watch enmity gauges and adjust their stance now?

Shocking!

[bounddreamer]

I haven't had any enmity issues with DRK or PLD and those jobs are still 200. My WAR, I've occasionally tried to tank in Deliverance and I have to make sure I have a good solid lead in enmity first.